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Old May 20, 2006 | 08:35 AM
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Performance Heads???

hey guys im wondering were i can get my hands on a set of custom heads to mount on top of my V10, i took a set i found to a freinds shop Where he put them on the Flow bench mmmmm not very promising.

i have looked a little bit to no avail. Is the V10 that bad that its forgoten about by many performance shops??

I so far have added the Banks Power Pack with Ottomind a Walker HighFlow Cat looking for a Higher Flowing fuel filter and Pump.

Cause as soon as I can (Con)vince the accountant that i need $5000.00 for a benificial Truck Part im picking up a Kenne Bell Supercharger
would reall like to sit that baby between some beefed up heads.
so im asking if anyone knows of anywhere i can find them before i dump the coin into doing it myself


 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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there really is very little in the way of parts for the v10. eso. in the head department . the pi heads or the new 3 valve heads are it. piston and con rod you can use forged ones from a 5.4 . it's not a common motor for racing so it is given very little attencen. for the newer 3 valve it's almost forget it. as the companys don't seem to want to bother with what looks like a soon to be gone motor .
all i can say is use a set of pi heads and work the heck out of them.
i'm not sure what your building there looks like some kind of tube frame car with a very long set of tube headers. v10 and a 4r100? . don't know whose tubes those are but man they look good .
extra push wise the kenny bell or whipple charger are about it . camshaft wise crane might be able to regrind your cores to some base files but even with that it's kind of ?marked with out contacting them.
good luck man . and please tell us what your building there.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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lol im not building anything thats a pic of the banks headers too bad the shortend them up .... im basicly trying to get the most out of my 250 SD then once that Motor is built Maybe drop it into a 150 to compete against the V10 dodge...... no i just like playing with my stuff and getting the most out of it

i will call crane see what they can do i don't know how aggressive i would want to go on the Cam but ill check into it, as for the heads will the new one's 05-06 fit on the 01 block ?and i thought if im spending a mint getting them from ford i mnight aswell look around.
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Old May 20, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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here is where we get NOT SURE ! the blocks carry the same numbers and are a true 6 bolt main 4 bolts plus the cross bolts . the heads may fit but the 3valves use the new plastic and different intake manifold as it's a variable runner and there no parts out yet to mod it up.

i would find a late year set of pi heads ."note they are still made for use in the vans up to 06" port and flow those the pi's to the max . then see what crane can do for you . just another maybe as they are known to custom regrind your cores . they might have a trick high torqe grind for a 5.4 that MIGHT work . needes a phone call to them . i have in the past had them do this for a odd motor that they had custom specs for and it wworked great. add the the forged custom rods and pistons for a 5.4 . so you add some juice if you want and not worry so much about cooking your cast stock pistons. then add a blower kit from kenny bell or whipple .
thats about all i have found in my looking to beef up a v10. but have to add hang around we have a few guys down here with blown v10's and they state these babies love being force feed air.
good luck as it soinds like you want to teach some dodge nuts all about a hot running ford
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 09:38 AM
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yeah.....

it was like my 86 sierra classic S/B running a 355 tuned port crate engine with a blower was a nice toy. went on to build a 93 Z71 with a 385 fast burn crate engine that thing is hella fun on the ice.


but i picked up a 97 F150 stepside and have a V10 250 that im thinking about making the swap to diesel only cause i love that truck.
I have always had toys that others want and on paper the beefed up V10 looks killer in a truck that is half the size of the SRT10 dodge lol i can see my accountant quiting after this one
 

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Old May 20, 2006 | 09:46 AM
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good luck man a v10 stuffed into a f150 would freak any one out .
just figuring out how to add the fi wireing harness and plumbing will be fun . but if a 5.4 fits so should the v10 well maybe ?????. lengh?
for your 250 just force feed it some air you will be very surprised at how different a truck it becomes with out much more.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FrEaKoFnAtUrE
hey guys im wondering were i can get my hands on a set of custom heads to mount on top of my V10, i took a set i found to a freinds shop Where he put them on the Flow bench mmmmm not very promising.
What year heads are they?
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by krewat
What year heads are they?
01 heads that i borrowed just to see what can be done with them
but im wondering about putting newer ones on top of my 01 like the 05 heads

also starting to wonder if there is a stroker kit out there somewhere Maybe in the land down under ?????
 

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Old May 20, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Why would you expect Oz to have any performance trick bits for the V10?
As far as I know (and thats not much mind you) but I'm 99.9% sure that V10's were not ever imported into Australia.
7 - 10 MPG with gas at $5.20 a gallon OUCH.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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i think you will have to check out whats around for a 5.4 in stroker parts. ie rods and pistons. and at how much added stroke so you know where to be at. then find your self a crank shaft shop and have them build you a stroker crank off your core.

again there are not a lot of parts out for a v10 so just about every thing will be added from a 5.4 and built off your cores.
stay with the 2 valve heads so you can be sure your intake works and keep the ability to add a blower kit if so wanted . and still i would think a good set of forged rods and pistons from a 5.4 and a blower would more then enough for your needs .

just remember the 3 v v10 is another motor top end and wireing wise so you would have problems with wireing, pcm location and how it works and tells the trans as the 5r110 is no where near a 4r100 . plus abs intergration with the pcm. thats just to much work .
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by heavyiron
Why would you expect Oz to have any performance trick bits for the V10?
As far as I know (and thats not much mind you) but I'm 99.9% sure that V10's were not ever imported into Australia.
7 - 10 MPG with gas at $5.20 a gallon OUCH.
cause they do some pretty crazy chit with huge LS1's stuffed into a car the size of a neon and there is a company there that makes a stroker for the chev 3.8.
 
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Old May 21, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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I agree with you that Aussie engineering re: big engines in small cars gets pretty interesting and creative .

The Aussie 3.8 was originally a buick motor, does that make it the same as a chevy 3.8?

The reason for the 3.8 performance bits and peices is because it's a production engine that has been used for over 20 years (upgraded ofcourse). The latest incarnation is (or was?) supercharged if optioned that from the factory.

If you are looking at "potential" upgrades why limit yourself to the V10?
There are many other options that are basically "how much HP do you want?"
All depends on how much money time and energy you want to invest - but I know you already know that !!
 

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Old May 21, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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seems all he will get is pistons and rods from a 5.4 and every thing else will be custom build. a stroker crank any crank shaft grinder can do up. maybe crane can do his cams over . a head shop can blue print the heads and flow them. but it still breaks down to as said above how big is your bank acount and how much are you willing to spend .
just get the blower kit change your gears to 4:30's. beef the trans up and have fun .
 
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Old May 21, 2006 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyiron
I agree with you that Aussie engineering re: big engines in small cars gets pretty interesting and creative .

The Aussie 3.8 was originally a buick motor, does that make it the same as a chevy 3.8?

The reason for the 3.8 performance bits and peices is because it's a production engine that has been used for over 20 years (upgraded ofcourse). The latest incarnation is (or was?) supercharged if optioned that from the factory.

If you are looking at "potential" upgrades why limit yourself to the V10?
There are many other options that are basically "how much HP do you want?"
All depends on how much money time and energy you want to invest - but I know you already know that !!
limiting to the V10 because i feel that engine has way more potential then what it is givin credit for !
and the 3.8 stroker is a series II GM yea originally Buick stroked it works out to 4.2 liter and the company is ComeRacing
i know i looked into buying that KIT for my 2001 Impala LS was going to twin turbo it with a company in toronto CarTuning but i left that car with the EX wife.

Im already looking into the Kenne Bell Blower why its the best and im going into ford tomorrow going to order all most 5.4 parts then send them away and get them cyro'd (frozen)

so basicly money what ever lol
then when that motor is all done and broke in im going to pull it and put it into a 97 f150 that i have sitting behind the shop and replace the V10 in the 250 with a whacked out diesel.

i work to play and play to work i dont go by
"sex,drugs and rock and roll" i go by Fast Trucks,Hot Women and cold beer

but i know me and i will likely get everythig i need then sit on it for ever and do it in the winter, im like that i lose interest real fast!
 
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Old May 21, 2006 | 02:31 PM
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http://karkraft.com http://www.sullivanperformance.com/index.htm
heres a few shops with mod motor parts for fords. what parts are you go freeze? if it's pistons and rods your better off after market as cast is still cast if you use a joice bottle on them
 
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