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Old Jan 24, 2002 | 09:48 AM
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>karlsd can you email me the ordering info on that switch>
>Mine is in the same shape your was and I haven't be able to
>find a replacement. Just about to try to wire in something
>different. Sure would be nice to have one that nearly right.
>

I think I got it from a place in Virginia (Virgina Classic Mustang? Something like that, anyway) that sells Mustang retoration parts. I don't have the name or a catalog handy, but I do have a National Parts Depot ("NPD" for short) 1965-1973 Mustang catalog (the 2001 edition) in my office, and the switch is pictured on page 114. It's NPD's catalog #13A350, and they actually have two versions, one for 65 models and 66 models before 3/1/66, and one for 66 models after 3/1/66. They are $28.93 and $25.69, respectively. I don't know what the differences between the two are. NPD's number is 800-874-7595.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2002 | 11:30 AM
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Thanks karsld

I'll give that a try. $25 -- $28 for a toggle switch just doesn't seem like enough does it??




 
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Old Jan 24, 2002 | 02:18 PM
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But it's a REALLY NICE toggle switch. :7

Actually, I kinda choked at the price, too. By the time I get my truck even close to "done" (I know, it'll never really be "done"), I'll probably have dumped enough money into the little bits and pieces (switches, trim, hoses, belts, fasteners, doohickeys, thingamajigs, etc.) that I could've bought myself a new Super Duty.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2002 | 12:04 PM
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My glove box switch was missing (68 f250) so I went
to a junkyard to find another. Found one, pulled it
out of the socket and in so doing the switch came apart.
It's not well built and there are very small tabs that
hold the top and bottom of the sheet metal constructed
switch case together. This was distressing
in the junkyard because the inside switch plate and spring
went flying into the muck and I had to search for it
and put it all back together. Internally, it is
a moveable plate with 4 contacts that slides against
a stationary 6 contact plate, which I presume
implements a kind of DPDT.

It seems as if it would be more convenient if it were
mounted underneath the dash by the steering wheel--
if there a picture or diagram of the stock setup
to permit first order replication that would be nice.

Question: are the Mustang switches better designed?


 
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Old Jan 25, 2002 | 12:40 PM
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Hey my switch came apart too but fortunately I didn’t loose the pieces. Was a good opportunity to clean everything though. Careful when bending back the tabs, they only like to be bent once before cracking off.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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FYI, here is a link to a **** and bezel available on ebay right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=600752505&r=0&t=0






 
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Old Jan 25, 2002 | 07:45 PM
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My '68 F-100 LWB Ranger XLT has a TOGGLE switch in a bezel marked Emergency which is the same style as the other bezels. It is mounted next to the choke and cargo light switches. My Ranger does NOT have A/C. No hole in the glove box where the switch would have been, either. This just become curiouser and curiouser.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2002 | 09:16 AM
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When you say "TOGGLE" switch, are you referring to a switch with side-to-side action, up/down or in/out? Also, to the best of my knowledge, all original 67-72 glovebox liners will have a perforated template for the flasher switch by design on both the upper right and left sides. Even if you don't have the flasher switch in the glove box, you should be able to look in there and see this on the upper side of the glove box liner.

Also, to all of you who have a 68 or 69, and stated that the E-Flash Sw. is located on the dash or under the dash: is the truck equipped with a manual choke? The reason I ask, is that I did check my 68 F-250 4wd (standard cab, manual choke and cigar lighter, but no cargo light or A/C). It has the 4-way flasher switch mounted in the glovebox, but it dawned on me that this truck had the manual choke on the dash. Ford didn't offer an automatic choke on these trucks in 1967 if I recall correctly. Hmmm.

As I am writing, I have the Master Part Illustration and Part Catalog open. The Illustration Catalog has a 1967 only diagram and one for 68/72 trucks. The 67 diagram shows a flasher switch in the glove box. The 68/72 diagram has a note showing the switch in the glove box. The note states "(F100/350) EMERGENCY WARNING FLASHER (1968/69)" Without question 1970/72 trucks had the switch on the dash (not under it). The bezel part no. has a "D0TZ" prefix identifier. There is nothing on the 68/72 diagram to indicate any alternative placement of the switch.

I decided to run down all of the part numbers to confirm the diagram. I started with the switch mounting plate. The description note states: 67 6&8 cyl "ALL" (Yep, knew that). It indicates that the same part is used on the 68/69 F100/350 --"exc. with A/C" (only trucks without A/C???) This seems to be the kicker. It doesn't show exactly what part was used on the A/C trucks. If I recall some of the other posts, I think it was stated that the same bracket appeared under the dash. I'd sure like a close-up picture of the flasher switch mounting from any of you that have an A/C equipped truck. It would also be nice to get the part identifiers off of your bezel and switch. I know this involves their removal, but that will be the only way to solve this mystery. Maybe, just maybe, we can pin this down yet!


I should also add that the 67 switch not only resembled the switch used in the carline like the mustangs, it was the switch. :-) The flasher switch part no. for the 67/69 trucks is C6AZ-13A350-D (no distinction for A/C or non-A/C trucks either).
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Old Jan 26, 2002 | 01:18 PM
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The toggle switch on my '68 has side-side action, and the truck does have manual choke. Don't see any perforations in the glove box, but maybe a previous owner swapped out the box. Hmmmm....
 
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Old Jan 26, 2002 | 02:26 PM
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You had AC, right Flyboy? Maybe that explains that because the glove box liner is different for the A/C trucks. Forgot that part.

The fact that your truck has a toggle switch is good. A toggle switch on 67-69 trucks is consistent with my information. I am not sure about your switch mounting though. The brochures seem to support that (BBB--I am not sure how you guys were able to read the bezel from the picture though ). I wonder what the part identifier is on the bezel? Would you be willing to remove that to look on the back? ;-)
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Old Jan 27, 2002 | 08:21 PM
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I'll try to get the part numbers tomorrow. Yes, mine is a toggle with side-to-side action, mounted in a bracket on the underside of the dash, and yes, my trusk originally had a manual choke. The three "****" locations in my dash to the right of the column are occupied by the cargo light, cigar lighter, and manual choke. Also, my glovebox liner, which I believe to original, is like FLyboy's, i.e., it does not have any perforations. 'course, I, too, have a factory AC truck.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 08:41 AM
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My original switch (the one I replaced because it was missing its internals and not functioning) bears part number C8TB-13A350-C (which of course indicates that it was completed in 1968 for use in trucks). There is no part number on the bracket, so I think the part number refers to the entire #####embly (bracket and switch). That would be consistent with my experience with the Mustang parts. They are listed as 13A350 part numbers and were used in 1965 and 66 'stangs, and the switches themselves appear to be indentical to my original truck switch. The only difference appears to be that the mounting bracket is narrower on the truck switch.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 08:46 AM
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 08:48 AM
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 09:31 PM
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What's up, Stockman? Is there a policy against criticizing big brother? Lighten up.

Anyway, I found my original source for the switch. It's an outfit called Virginia Classic Mustang. Phone is 540-896-2695, and website is www.VaMustang.com. Their catalog lists the switch for post-3/1/66 Mustangs as catalog number IN-497 with a price of 19.95 (cheaper than NPD, which is probably why I ordered it from VaMustang).

Interestingly, in the catalog photo you can clearly make out the part number on the switch. It is C8TB-13A350-C -- the same as on my original switch. As I already noted, though, the bracket on the replacement 'stang switch is wider, which required me to drill a new hole in it so it would line up with the holes in my dash. I will eventually move the switch mechanism to my original bracket, but I need to clean it up and repaint it first.

Incidentally, VaMustang's catalog is a great reference, as they have photos of all of their parts.
 
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