http://www.meadowlandford.com/2008%2...y_brochure.pdf

2008 super Duty, page 17

 

That is a great web page, first time I've seen it. Thanks.

Those ratings on page 17 are towing levels. I don't think DOT cares about that, they check only weights and axle weights, I think. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure the GCVWR (combined vehicle weight) is a Ford number and I guedss if you were exceeding it the warrantuy could be voided but I don't think it's a safety rating.

I wish my truck was here, I'm almost sure the GVWR is on the door plackard.

Edit: OK, I did what everyone does now a days, I googled it. The GVWR for a crew cab single rear wheel is 11,000 lbs and the payload is 4250 lbs. which is somewhat less that what I figured above. So, with a tongue weight of 4150 the poster isn't going anywhere except to the first scale. Now as a pratical matter you could probably handle the weight with some air bags and upgraded tires but it will not pass muster in a commerical situation. At least I don't think it will. Best math I can do is the driver at 200, fuel at 40 gal 280 lbs, hitch at 50 lbs and misc 100 lbs for a total of 630 lbs. Leaves you 3600 lbs for the pin weight. 3600 is 15% of 24,000. 15% should be a suitable pin weight. So, he can load the trailer to 24,000 lbs. I forgot the trailer weight but I think it was 9 thousand something. Thjat would give a trailer payload of 15,000 lbs. Works for me and that's my answer. 15,000 lbs.

 

What's in the pdf is what's in your door.

GCVWR- is what "FORD" rates that particular truck for. What the states/ federal say you should REGISTER the trucks are a different matter, start going over 26,000# and moving trailer/ equipment, etc. is a commercial thing (as a business/ living) then you need a medical card and go by different set of rules/ laws.

From reading previous post I'm guessing they're talking about personal trailers and wanting to know what "FORD" says they're trucks are rated for. As you probably already know the first thing that should be done is to weigh the truck and trailers so there is an actual real weight to go by than using guesses and assumptions of weights.

The comment that I made about moving heavier loads than the truck is recommended for is that if a person wants to do it in their own back yard is one thing, as soon as you pull on the the public road with other people you are now endangering the the lives of others. I do carry a Class A license and have seen enough "professional" and "weekend warriors" to think what if. I'm sure you have seen the same thing traveling down the road.

Somewhere along the way Darwinism has been bred/ taught that it's ok to endanger others while doing stupid things (seems it's the new thing on TV to show it and make like it's ok), if it makes me a bad guy for saying it aloud that it's not, so be it. Enough babbling, back to the coffee pot.

 

Thanks . Yes the trailer is rated for GVWR 25,000. just got the plates in the mail the sticker says 26,000 GVWR. and has 2 10k axles with dual wheels. My truck does say GVWR is 13,000 on the door. Here is the CAT Scale weights Truck: Steer-4,820, Drive-3,480, Gross Weight 8,300. Trailer (Only): Steer-2,740, Drive-6,620, Gross Weight 9,360. Both = 17,660. So if I got this right 26,000 - 17,660 = 8,340 . so all I can put on my trailer is the 8,340 lbs. unless I add the total GVWR of both which would put me at 38,000 - 17,660 = 20,340. which I think that is to much weight . I'm thinking I could put at least 15,000 on it and be ok. hope this picture shows what I have for my truck and trailer.

 

I'm think the OP wanted to know how much he could load on the trailer for a commerical application. There may have been some others wanting different numbers. You seem to have it the same way I do. We both know that in a non-commerical application we can do whatever we want so long as a LEO can't make a case for dangerous operation. But, the OP wants a commerical answer and I think he has one. I agree with your statement about endangering others however I view it from the other end. If your loaded rig is not properly rigged and there is an accident, you will be the first one on the scene of the accident.

 

I going to use this as a Commercial truck I have my class A and DOT med card and numbers. Just starting my own business to haul all over. This set up is alot different then a semi truck and trailer. I just want to make sure I'm loading what would be safe for hauling with my truck and trailer set up.

 

in this case GCVWR is 25,000 + 13,000 = 38,000#

The pin weight limit is 13,000 - 8,300 = 4,700# (which may be further limited by the RAWR of the pickup.)

With 4,700# on the pin, 4,700/.15 = 31,333 so you have plenty of room for the pin weight of a 25,000# trailer.

However, if you have two 10,000# axles, there is no way your trailer is a 25,000# trailer. If you max out your GVWR, you'll be 2,500 over on each axle.

 

You sure? Seems like 10K on each axle and 5K on the pin. the trailer would be OK but the truck would be over on the rear axle and GVWR. I think what he needs is more rear axle capacity. I'm not commerical so what I would do is buy some beefier tires and air bags and go for it. But he has to pass weight police at the scales, right? So, with the SRW truck he will be limited by the RAWR. I'm gonna go see if I can find it but I'm thinking around 7000 lbs.

 

OK Grumpy. I think you're in the ball park. I don't tow commerical so I have no idea how strict they are at the scales. I just looked on google and there was a posting that looked official saying a 2005 EC F350 had a RAWR of 7000 lbs. It is on the door plackard and is tire specific and also rear axle ratio specific. I also went back and re-read your original post and my advice based on many years of towing stuff, mostly big boats and 5ers is that you should find a DRW truck. The capacities are so much greater and the drive so much more comfortable. With a DRW you can put 15000 lbs plus on that trailer and be under all the ratings. With the SRW and a 7000 lb rear axle weight minus the 2700 lbs of weight you have unloaded your limited to 4300 lbs of pay load on the pin of the trailer. That leaves 10,700 lbs to divide between two 10,000 lb axles. That will result in one or more of the elements being above the rating. Not by much but still above. So you have to ditch 700lbs and get the load distributed exactly right. Probably a PITA. With a DRW you get like 9000 lbs on the rear axle and maybe more I'd have to look it up. Then you can put 6300 lbs up front on the trailer and you're good to go with 20,000 on the axles.

I know this crap is a pain and harder than chinese arithmetic but if you haul commerical you will have to get it right. My step-son drives an 18 wheeler and he paid a 600 dollar fine a couple months back for an unbalanced load. he was able to move the trailer and get it legal before he left the scales but he still had the ticket. Gpood luck to you and I hope all this stuff helps.

 

my truck is a DRW. and it says states 9,000 on rear axle on the door. I have some loads that I can get and they weight about 9,500 lbs. Thanks for the help.

 

Pin weight isn't counted for the trailer, though. Pin weight is weight counted on the tow vehicle. A trailer with 25,000 GVWR, 10,000 FAWR, and 10,000 RAWR would be limited to 20,000#. The 5,000# (25%) tongue weight would count toward the GVWR of the pickup.

the GVWR in this case, is only used to limit the GCVWR... like on an 18 wheeler.

 

Grumpysf350,

I'm confused on the trailer weight of steer/ drive (you weighed each of the axles separately?) You know what your truck weighs know (I'll guess that weight is as if you where hooking up and running with it, Full gas and gear). Now hook up the trailer and weigh it with the truck (with full gear you'll be using, every # counts especially if you have to cross a DOT scale.)
As you know with the CAT scale weight ticket Steer axle + Drive axle + empty trailer = ??? #s. Take that ???# and minus from 26,000# and that is what you can legally haul. I'm not going to break it down further for axle weight on drives/ pin weight and such.

Here is an example of my '08' new from dealership then with my everyday tools and misc.


When traveling with the 5th wheel fully loaded weighed at the Cat scale
Steer 3940
Drive 6760
Trailer 9940
GCVW 20,640

Using these as an example for weights so you can see how to figure your own weight for truck and trailer.

 

No, trailer data plates on a gooseneck show the GVWR including the pin weight.

Pull up the 25GN PDF:

http://bigtextrailers.com/trailers/goosenecks.html#

 

Yes, except the pin weight is measured on the rear axle of the tow vehicle. You're trying to count it twice. Once in the trailer GVWR and once in the Toiwing Vehicle GVWR.

When talking about trailers, the GVWR is mostly used to calculate GCVWR. the three to fiver xAWRs are what get used for proper load distribution.

Take a look at 20 GN.

In fact, You can load 20 GN and 25 GN to the same weights, as they are both 20,000# trailers.

 

I'm not counting anything twice. You are assuming how I account for the weight. I'm going to load the trailer to 25,000 lbs and make sure I have 5000 lbs of pin weight, to remain within the limits of the trailer. I"m also going to use a vehicle that can handle that 5000 lbs. It might be a 550 or 650, but that has nothing to do with not exceeding my trailer's GVWR.