'66 vs '67 rear frame differences
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'66 vs '67 rear frame differences
Wondering wether a rear bumper from a '66 F250 will bolt up to a '67 F100. This is the wrap-around type, which extends forward along the rear lower rocker panels.
Will it fit?
Will it fit?
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Ooops.
I must gently disagree with my good friend Mr. FBP here.
Will it bolt up? Yes, the frame widths are the same for mounting it. No problems there.
If the bumper were a flat one (which does not curve forward around the rear quarter panel) then it would be fine.
However, the lower rear quarter panels on the beds are different.
The dimension of the lower quarter panel on the '66 is wider than the '67 - '72.
There will be a gap between the forward jutting portion of the '66 bumper and sides of your '67 bed.
I learned this when I put a '69 or '70 rear bumper on my '66. The cutout where the '69 bumper wraps around the rear corner is smaller to match the narrower rear corner panel on the '69, so the '69 bumper cut into the sheet metal of my '66 bed's lower corner. Both sides.
Therefore, it stands to reason that there will be a gap between the side of the '67 bed and the '66 wrap around bumper.
See if you can test fit it; I would like to know if I am correct.
Good luck!
I must gently disagree with my good friend Mr. FBP here.
Will it bolt up? Yes, the frame widths are the same for mounting it. No problems there.
If the bumper were a flat one (which does not curve forward around the rear quarter panel) then it would be fine.
However, the lower rear quarter panels on the beds are different.
The dimension of the lower quarter panel on the '66 is wider than the '67 - '72.
There will be a gap between the forward jutting portion of the '66 bumper and sides of your '67 bed.
I learned this when I put a '69 or '70 rear bumper on my '66. The cutout where the '69 bumper wraps around the rear corner is smaller to match the narrower rear corner panel on the '69, so the '69 bumper cut into the sheet metal of my '66 bed's lower corner. Both sides.
Therefore, it stands to reason that there will be a gap between the side of the '67 bed and the '66 wrap around bumper.
See if you can test fit it; I would like to know if I am correct.
Good luck!
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That's the kind of info I'm looking for, to save myself the grief of discovering the problem after it's too late.
There is a '67 I'm looking at with no rear bumper, and I happen to have a '66 rear bumper laying around. If I do the deal, I'll let you know how it fits.
Thanks!
There is a '67 I'm looking at with no rear bumper, and I happen to have a '66 rear bumper laying around. If I do the deal, I'll let you know how it fits.
Thanks!
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You are welcome; that is what we are all here for. And, when you post back about it fitting well or not, you will be adding to the wealth of knowledge here!
By the way, when I say "good friend", that is exactly what I mean. Pete is a good friend. We have broken bread together, and shared many good thoughts. It brings me great pleasure to see him posting on this board.
He is in himself a wealth of knowledge of Ford trucks.
In fact, it was from him that I learned that the rear frames for the '67 - '72 were the same as for the '65 and '66.
I learned from John Wilkerson that the frames from the rear of the cab forward are the same '65 - '79!
By the way, when I say "good friend", that is exactly what I mean. Pete is a good friend. We have broken bread together, and shared many good thoughts. It brings me great pleasure to see him posting on this board.
He is in himself a wealth of knowledge of Ford trucks.
In fact, it was from him that I learned that the rear frames for the '67 - '72 were the same as for the '65 and '66.
I learned from John Wilkerson that the frames from the rear of the cab forward are the same '65 - '79!
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brider, That wrap around is a west of the Mississippi bumper. AFAIK they were not sold to the east of the big muddy. I have no idea what the additional metal is good for. I have a truck that came from Kansas that had one of those on it. The bumper got bent a little and so did the body.
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Well, aside from protecting that corner of the fender, I think those bumpers just LOOK COOL AS HELL!
Do you really think they were a West coast exclusive? Why is that? I thought bumpers back then were either a dealer option or a thriving aftermarket business, why wouldn't an East coast supplier offer the same bumper as the West coast?
Yes, I got mine from a guy in CA.
Do you really think they were a West coast exclusive? Why is that? I thought bumpers back then were either a dealer option or a thriving aftermarket business, why wouldn't an East coast supplier offer the same bumper as the West coast?
Yes, I got mine from a guy in CA.
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Are you guys talikng about aftermarket bumpers?
I thought all the Ford bumpers looked like this
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...108671&width=0
I thought all the Ford bumpers looked like this
https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...108671&width=0
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Ringo, You are correct, That is a Ford factory bumper, available in both chrome and white paint.
brider, It is just an observation, I have only seen them on trucks west of the big muddy. I also don't share you feeling about them. My preference is a bumper like the one in Ringos photo.
John
brider, It is just an observation, I have only seen them on trucks west of the big muddy. I also don't share you feeling about them. My preference is a bumper like the one in Ringos photo.
John
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He asked if it would fit the frame This thread is 66 vs 67 Frame Differences that's all I was referring to based on frames with the twin I's are virtually the same model & wheelbase for Model & wheel base 65 through 1972, and I don't know about Fey wrap around deals.....
I'm a "Les Izmore" fan, just as appears on that SWB RFb posted. BTW, Hmmmm ???
I wonder who owns that sweet ride anyway, . . . . . . heh heh heh.
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I'm a "Les Izmore" fan, just as appears on that SWB RFb posted. BTW, Hmmmm ???
I wonder who owns that sweet ride anyway, . . . . . . heh heh heh.
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Sorry fellas, I should have clarified that I was talking about aftermarket bumpers and frame widths.
It kind of suprises me that Ford would have offered only a non-step bumper. Did Fed regulations require that they install a bumper, and they chose to only offer a modified passenger-car bumper? I wonder how many poor working men stepped up onto that bumper and slipped off...
Sure looks nice on that truck, though...
It kind of suprises me that Ford would have offered only a non-step bumper. Did Fed regulations require that they install a bumper, and they chose to only offer a modified passenger-car bumper? I wonder how many poor working men stepped up onto that bumper and slipped off...
Sure looks nice on that truck, though...
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Actually rear bumpers. or "face bars" as they were called back in the day,were sold as an optional item. There were no Fed Regs on rear bumpers til after DOT mandates for vehicular safety in 68, I think commercial vehicles had to comply by 70/72 anyway,
You could get your light & medium duty commercial vehicles With or W/Out a bumper, and it could be painted or plated, or aftermarket such as Hercules, Fey & others.
brider, No need to apologize, if it wasn't for my good friend BP66 a lot of what I say would be misunderstood. I thank him for keepin' me honest. His Point is very Valid and absolutely true.
In the FWIW dept, the "wrap around step & tow set up he's & John et al are referring to was designed for the "Slab Sided" early version Styleside bodies of 57-63. That's 1 reason it's tight on the wider more stylized bodies. . . .
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You could get your light & medium duty commercial vehicles With or W/Out a bumper, and it could be painted or plated, or aftermarket such as Hercules, Fey & others.
brider, No need to apologize, if it wasn't for my good friend BP66 a lot of what I say would be misunderstood. I thank him for keepin' me honest. His Point is very Valid and absolutely true.
In the FWIW dept, the "wrap around step & tow set up he's & John et al are referring to was designed for the "Slab Sided" early version Styleside bodies of 57-63. That's 1 reason it's tight on the wider more stylized bodies. . . .
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