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Old Jun 25, 2006 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RubenG
I just got my Hellwig today and decided to install it.

I have a question regarding the install and decided to add to this thread.
My question regard to number 6 on the instructions.

"on the drivers side, remove the emrgency brake cable bracket. Reattach it by threading the bracket through our end link mounting hardware. Add an extra nut to this end link to mount the bracket."

For the life of me, I cant figure this out. What would happen if I skip this step?

How have you all done this step?

Thanks,

RubenG
Your cable might rub. Didyou see how the cable is currently attached? Try keep it that way. It is raining now and if you annot figure it out, leave it alone and post here. I'll try take a pic when it isn't so wet.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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Almond, People hauling is far more precious cargo than any boat or toys you may be hauling. But any way. In my opinion, know how my "X" handled before my mods. I would recomend everyone "X" owner do the same. Sway bar, shocks, and Landyots. I also have air bags, but that for real towing.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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Im a disabled vet and cant do this stuff my self so i have to pay someone with what i can spare from my limited and fixed income.


What do you deem neccecery and prudent to install and where do i get the parts? I dont want to do anything that when i take the X to Ford for service (getting extended warenty) that they then use an excuse to void that warenty or charge more

2000 FORD EXCURSION XLT
1FMNU40L2YEC25204
4 DR. WAGON/SPORT UTILITY
5.4L V8 PFI SOHC 16V / REAR WHEEL DRIVE

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/ccc_Displa...NU40L2YEC25204
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Almond
Im a disabled vet and cant do this stuff my self so i have to pay someone with what i can spare from my limited and fixed income.


What do you deem neccecery and prudent to install and where do i get the parts? I dont want to do anything that when i take the X to Ford for service (getting extended warenty) that they then use an excuse to void that warenty or charge more

2000 FORD EXCURSION XLT
1FMNU40L2YEC25204
4 DR. WAGON/SPORT UTILITY
5.4L V8 PFI SOHC 16V / REAR WHEEL DRIVE

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/ccc_DisplayHistoryRpt.cfm?partner=ATD_W&vin=1FMNU4 0L2YEC25204
Sway bar cannot void your warranty unless they can say it came loose, hit the road and bounced into your engine area and got sucked into the air intake.

What do you use this vehicle for?
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim
Your cable might rub. Didyou see how the cable is currently attached? Try keep it that way. It is raining now and if you annot figure it out, leave it alone and post here. I'll try take a pic when it isn't so wet.
Aklim,

I moved the endlink mounting to the hole where the emergency parking brake cable was bolted in. I hope I did this correct. this is what Gilbert Contreras said from Hellwig..

"the area where the brake cable is attached is on the frame remove the mounting bolt that is where our end link will be poistioned the bracket will be between the frame and the end link thanks Gilbert "

I hope I did this correct.

But, yeah if you could take pictures it would be great. I just want to confirm if What i did is correct.

The X does feel like it coreners better and sure does feel more stable then before.

Thanks

RubenG
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim

What do you use this vehicle for?
moving my family around. I dont ever plan to tow anything.

See I have 3 babies the oldest is 4 they all require car seats and the wife and i are expecting our 4th. no one really makes a car that suits the needs of 6 people with 4 bulky carseats strollers diaper bags and still have room for grocries/shopping

you cna forget about comfort if you are large people which we are wife and I are both 6ft (shes a swede )

only car in recent production that really fit us was the Excursion. the suburban? its honestly too small not enough cargo space for the baby gear. mini vans? nope maybe a chevy full size migh have worked but we found a 44k mile X for a price we could afford first
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RubenG
Aklim,

I moved the endlink mounting to the hole where the emergency parking brake cable was bolted in. I hope I did this correct. this is what Gilbert Contreras said from Hellwig..

"the area where the brake cable is attached is on the frame remove the mounting bolt that is where our end link will be poistioned the bracket will be between the frame and the end link thanks Gilbert "

I hope I did this correct.

But, yeah if you could take pictures it would be great. I just want to confirm if What i did is correct.

The X does feel like it coreners better and sure does feel more stable then before.

Thanks

RubenG
[img]I created a gallery so you can see it. If you cannot see it there send me your emial and I will send it to you. Basically the sequence is bolt, washer, bushing, washer, brake cable holder, washer, frame and nut.
 

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Almond
moving my family around. I dont ever plan to tow anything.

See I have 3 babies the oldest is 4 they all require car seats and the wife and i are expecting our 4th. no one really makes a car that suits the needs of 6 people with 4 bulky carseats strollers diaper bags and still have room for grocries/shopping

you cna forget about comfort if you are large people which we are wife and I are both 6ft (shes a swede )

only car in recent production that really fit us was the Excursion. the suburban? its honestly too small not enough cargo space for the baby gear. mini vans? nope maybe a chevy full size migh have worked but we found a 44k mile X for a price we could afford first
Probably will be fine without the Hellwig then if it is a people carrier only.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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I ordered the Ford factory parts necessary to install the rear sway bar on my '06 F250. The install took me about 2 hours and went very smooth. Fit like a glove. The sway bar made a huge difference in how the truck handles. Sway bar is well worth the expense and the time to install.

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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there is a factory sway bar for the rear? and it didnt come with the car?

or is it the same one thats no good?

or is it a newer model that works?
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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Yes there is a factory sway bar for the rear. I believe it comes with the camper package. Mine did not have that option so I ordered all the parts necessary and installed myself.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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ok ill order one through ford. hoping to get it before friday
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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Save a LOT of money on order from here: http://www.y2kford.com/default.aspx?html=parts.htmlTalk to Ed Olson. Ed put together everything I needed to install the sway bar.


Mark
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Ain't no "camper package" for the X

I already made that mistake in this very thread ...

 
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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The Hellwig instructions are complete garbage, imo. I did better with no instructions than with them. Hellwig's email technical help (a.k.a. Gilbert) was equally cryptic if not illiterate (or maybe he types in some kind of secret code, because it sure isn't English). Anyway, he's better on the phone than in email, and here's some supplementary instructions for installing the Hellwig rear anti-sway bar on your Excursion:

1. Verify that you have every single piece in the kit before starting to install. Mine was missing a few bolts.

2. Test-assemble the kit on your floor before installing. Some of the washers were different than what was described in the instructions.

3. Starting a few days before you plan to install the sway bar, periodically spray the nuts on the factory shock mounts with penetrating fluid to loosen them.

4. The 7/16" washers go on the 7/16 bolts between the hourglass-shaped rubber bushing and the frame rail. I received a few extras of these, and I was told to "use them, it's better". How's that for engineering accuracy?

5. The "thick" washer referred to by the instructions is actually a bit thinner than the other washers. Go figure. But "that's what they're using now", says Gilbert. These precisely-sized 17/32" washers supposedly go sloppily on the 7/16" thread for retaining the end links bushings, and also on the 7/16" bolts for retaining the hourglass bushing, so I was told. I will be adding properly sized 7/16" washers above & below these so the bolt heads and nuts are seated on a proper surface.

6. The 1/2" washers I received are actually 9/16" washers. I was told to use them anyway. Yeah, right. Off to the hardware store.

7. The end link bushings each have a small raised bump on one side, which is supposed to point into the holes at the end of the sway bar, despite fitting perfectly into those bigger 17/32" washers. (Seems to me that the raised parts of the bushings will be eaten away after a few minutes of driving.)

8. All fasteners are el-cheapo grade 5, so no need to spend $$ on grade 8 for missing fasteners (but I will anyway).

-Flo
 
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