I installed the foglights in my '05 XLT.

Sorry for the shouting but....YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMOVE THE BUMPER TO PUT IN THE FOGLIGHTS!

One screw and a clip if memory serves...retains the lamp to the bracket. Take the bracket from the lamp, then feed both parts through the bumper and put back together. Much easier than taking the bumper off.

 

not sure matt
i had to drop the bumper to get at the bolts and clip nuts on the top and bottom .plus my bar was bent any way,
thanks for the up date. and the loud voice. i needed to wake up any way that smack up the side of my head helped some in waking up.

 

captchas....can't say why it worked for me, but I took the bracket and lamp apart...and put them back together behind the bumper by reaching through the front.

I see you are a retired tech, so I certainly don;t think I am a match for your mechanical abilities. One time I had to replace a headlight pod on the Viper, and even the Dodge printed repair book says to remove the front fascia. (You'd have to be familiar with the Vipers to quite get this...)I was not into doing that and all the agg of lining it up again. I managed to change the headlight unit by reaching through the foglight hole with the foglight removed and could reach...with the correct wrenches, ratchets, etc.

Maybe I'm stubborn...but I could not beleive I had to take the bumper off...and I did it.

 

hi hear you matt
but i still needed to be woken up . there is only 8 bolts total holding the bar on. 2 each out end and 2 each side by the tow hook and it's off. but again i had to any way .the deer bent the bar and busted the fog lamps.then under the truck and unto the hood of a tail gating bemmer.if you could have smeeled inside that car the cop said after he gave the guy a ticket for tail gating.
ooh the fun of owning a high up truck.

 

j2mk,

Did the wiring harness that came with the kit work with auto headlamp switch or did you have to do some modifying/splicing/ I'm a mechanical type, hate electrical work unless it it's plug and play. I went to my dealer and the parts guy wasn't able to tell me if the harness in the kit would work. Also had to look it up under 05, I'm guessing it will work with my 06.

Thanks,
Scott

 

Scott, I only used the part of the harness that went from the fog lamps to the connector already installed on the top of the drivers side frame. I had to cut the end of the factory installed plug off and solder the wires together. I simply replaced the headlight switch with the new one that I ordered separately, no wiring modification. The factory kit wiring harness seems to be for a truck that has no foglight provisions. It has fuses and relays, but all I had to do was hook up to existing wiring. My truck is an XLT so I cannot speak for other models. Hope this helps, Jason.

 

j2mk...when I installed the factory kit in my 2005 Excursion XLT, the kit included lamps,(wrong year foglights...'05s use a different bracket), underdash switch (that I did not use...came up with a better one...see my gallery for when the airhorn and foglamp switch went), harnesses, relays, etc. The instructions said to tap off one of the wires leading to the headlight switch (parking light) and to use the wires that go from the dash to under the hood just above the master cylinder, to feed things under the hood. I also had to modify the positive lead that went to the battery as it was too short for the changed '05.

Here's why I'm confused...and I'm glad it worked for you. At least on the Ex (which I realize is a bit off topic), my parts guys, or techs, could find anything on the truck to use to hook up foglights. In fact, the parts guy who has many years experience with Fords, said that Ford does not wire for accessories that are not factory equipped and that the foglight kit was the only way to do it...that there were not Ford wires to hook up to. In fact, when we looked at an auto headlights switch that had the provisions for foglights..it took a different connector than my rig. Sure could have saved me some work if there was a direct way.

All that said, I heard that in some years there is wiring to hook up daytime running lights...I have never comes across that on my truck either.

 

Jason,

Thanks for the info. I have a XLT also. So switch just plugs in and I'll have to splice fog light harness in to connector on driver side frame. I got a friend who would probably to the soldering. I don't even own a soldeering iron. Again hate electrical stuff.

Thanks again,
Scott

 

Scott,
If you do install the kit just remember one thing, the fog light switch will only turn the wires for the fog lights on if the key is on. I thought I was going to have to do more wiring until I remembered that the key had to be on, that took me about 20 minutes and some panicing. Other than that the install was completed in less than 2 hours and I did not need to remove the bumper, only the license plate holder.
Jason

 

My foglights work key on or off. I'm wondering if you did indeed tap from the DRL module as I heard was there. Do your foglights go on and off with the hi-beams?

 

Yes my foglights went on and off with the brights until I modified that. It sounds to me like you had a different kit than I did. I have seen the kit with a remote switch like you talk about and that is not the one that I installed. The actual plug that was attached above the frame for the fog lights had the exact wire color as the harness that was provided. I double checked for the plug to come hot before I started the light install to make sure that I did not need the whole harness. I did not have instructions, I just hoped for the best. It does not hurt to have an electrical background and a buddy with a truck that has foglights.

 

Jason,

Thanks for all the info and advice. I'll be heading down to the dealer next pay day.

Scott

 

Capt Charlie, Tell me again what you did. You got both H10 and H13 bulbs and put both in your fog lights? So do your fog lights stay on during Hi Beam?

On mY 2000 and 2003 I had installed the SilverStar and I just bought a 2006 and am trying to research what I want to change out on it. Out here my problem is not in hitting small bambi's, but rather large Elk. I like to see them as far away as possible and like the Wide sweep of the fog lights to light up the shoulder area in conjuction with the high beams down road.

 

j2mk...I finally got it...we're both right. Your kit for 2005 & 2006 is a Super Duty only deal. An Excursion dash for 2005 is just like the 2004 SD dash. So, it makes sense that it works for you and not for me as the headlight switch (among other things) is different.

PaintedHorse...I did lots of reasearch on the whole headlight-foglight deal. The only "legal" upgrade bulbs for the H13 is the Sylvania XtraVisions. I talked to Sylvania and was told that DOT will not allow a coated bulb in the H13 designation. The Xtravisions are the same brightness as the Silverstars, but they lack the whiter hue.

Another trick is to replace the foglight 9145 bulbs with a 9005 hi-beam bulb. To keep this short (you could search on my name for more info in another post), the power draw increase is slight, but you'll go from 42 watts to 60. Huge difference in illumination. I got the standard 9005s for mine. I have had this upgrade in both my Cobra and Ex for at least a year with no issues.

Bear in mind that there are kits to keep the fogs on with the hi-beams. I know at least in PA, you won;'t pass inspection with such a change.

 

Finally installed my lights. Got sent out of town on an emergency job in CT. For the dealer saying it wasn't able to be done was too easy took 30 minutes for me and 12 yr old daughter(training her to be a ford truck girl). I didn't have to drop bumper or disassemble light from bracket, just removed bulb and had enough clearance. New switch was unplug old plug in new. Jason and everyone thanks for all the advice, especially the part about key being on because I would have been panicking when I forgot they don't turn on without the key being on.