Just wanted to tell yall I got finished installing my nitrous kit Wedneday night. Got to test it out Thursday. I started with a 50hp shot. I really couldn't tell it was coming on. Went to the 75hp jet and I could definatly feel it. And since I'm running a Jody chip, I was still putting out alot of smoke. So more nitrous right? Heck yeah. Went to the 100hp jet and WOW!!! It hits hard, pulls even harder. And still making smoke, so I'm not running it lean. But it is cool. Built a custom panel for the switches and armed light above my rear view. I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. I had the whole kit on my shelf for years. All I had to do was buy a dry nozzle and jets from Zex And one braided line. I'm into the whole thing for $100. Well worth the money. But I am going to have to buy another purge solinoid. I tried to use the fuel solinoid I had, but the nitrous pressure locks it closed. And I'm going to Dyno it this weekend at a Dodge club get together that's open to the public. So I'm gonna put it on the rollers and see what it will do now. Everyone asks, why didn't you go with propane? I didn't want the big ole tank, and I already had the kit. But FYI, if anyone else does this and buys a dry nozzle like I did, order the 1/16 NPT tap from them too. I never had so much trouble finding a tap in my life. I called people for 4 days thinking I was going to find it. I ended up having to call Zex back and order it. And on a last note, my buddys dodge at work that I was having no luck beating.............I gonna go DOWN!!!!

One more thing, Randy at TS Performance told me everything I needed to know about my setup. From nozzele placement (which is right at the exit of the turbo into the Y pipe.) When to spray it, and alot of other questions I had. Those guy REALLY know what they are talking about.

 

Sounds great! Can't wait to hear your dyno numbers. If they let you, try it with and without the nitrious to see how it affects the torque through the engine's RPM range. If you could post a dyno sheet that would be mighty cool.

 

dang that big of a shot and she's still smokin!! you runnin 530's ?

ive been tempted by the nitrous but.......

 

Ok. i wanna get this straight about Nitrous. i hear that its really bad for engines. then i hear it can be good because it burns so clean and cool. so what is it??? good or bad. how long can you run Nitrous on that 100 shot setting and not do damage to the motor? every time you use it are you doing damage to your motor?

also what does the smoke mean??? i would also like to know your 0-60 times and some roll on times. how easy was this install??? what kind of mods do you have to your truck?? and what mods should i have for a 75 or 100 shot of NOS?
help me set the facts straight!
thanks
Mitch
ohh and 1 more thing. im looking at a bullydog nitrous injection kit in a mag and they have a few different set ups. a 50 shot up to a 250 shot. and the 50 shot is 800 and the 250 is 2k. what changes in the setups on these kits? i thought you just changed the jet sizes and ran the same tank setup????

 

While not a nitrous pro, I have been using it for a few years on my street/strip car. I can clear the air a bit for you, mitch. Nitrous Oxide carries more oxygen than regular air does, so it helps fuel burn/explode really well. The nitrous is in liquid form in the bottle and as it changes from a liquid to a gas it gets really cold (cooling the incoming air/fuel mix). All easy enough, eh? This is where gas and diesel engines differ on the nitrous: since the nitrous itself doesn't burn (remember it is an oxidizer) it needs more fuel and THAT is what makes the power. A second solinoid is used to dump more fuel into the intake. On a diesel engine, like, say, a powerstroke, you could have the injectors dumping a ton of fuel in the cylinders already (making black smoke) and then use the nitrous to help the fuel burn! Instead of going out the tailpipe it would burn! And make power! So if one's truck was still smoking then one could assume that there was not a lean condition that could damage your engine happening. Quite nice.

As far as hurting the engine with it... higher cylinder pressures, increased RPM, increased strain on the crank, pistons, rods, and the dreaded lean condition that melts pistons.

 

I agree with everything you said 1969fordguy, EXCEPT the lean condition burning up pistons, that is a gasser only thing. a diesel runs EXTREMEly lean at idle thats why they use such little fuel. there also is no Stoichio (sp) ratio on a diesel as they pull in the same amount of air every intake stroke, except under boost, then its actualy more air........anyway.........

Rubberduck, what injectors are you running????? you say your still not clearing up your smoke???? what about EGT and boost numbers, got any before and after numbers????

Diesel Rod

 

Ahh man. thanks 1969fordguy and 444dieselrod!!!! that helped me out a-lot!!!!! now im not so scared of the stuff and am even thinking of droping in a tank! but i need some more mods on my truck first.
thanks lots for the help!!
Mitch

 

the nitrous on a stock truck wont make a big differnce due to the fuel injectors only being able to flow 90cc of fuel with a larger injector it will make more HP. it all depends on how you use your truck. if i was looking for some bottled HP i would be using a little propane.

 

Does propane cool the air like the nitrous or does it just react with the diesel for a more complete burn?

Gary

 

niether cool the air.

nitrous= more o2 to burn more fuel

propane = more fuel

with both the EGT's can rocket to the moon really fast depending on how much and your right foot

 

I will make three pulls. One in the 40hp setting to see if Jody's burn can beat the superchip I dynoed with last. Then again with the 120hp setting to see the same comparison, and one with the 120hp setting and Nitrous for a final #. I'll post the sheets as soon as the wife helps me get it on the computer.

Jake, believe it or not, I'm still running stock injectors. Once the rpm's come up it starts to clear it, but there is still definatly smoke. I'm buying one of those VHS to DVD burners to I can post videos. But I probably don't want to see how much smoke I'm really clearing.

79, I don't know how long you can spray it without doing damage. I just wanted it for short burst. Lets hope I don't find out. And as far as hurting the motor, in my personal oppinion yes it will eventually hurt the engine. Turning the key hurts engines. It's no different than anything else, even us. The day we we're born, we started the dying process. The harder you push it, the quicker we will get there. I don't have 0-60 times cause I only had it on the track once. And it was all stock then. The install was a walk in the park. Bottle in the tool box. 14' braided line to the distribution tee, 4' line to the intake Y to a dry nozzle and jet. I also have a purge (which I replaced tonight cause a fuel solinoid won't handle the pressure.) And just wiring up the arm swith/light/purge switch/ and wide open throttle switch. It was way too easy. For any other questions, talk to Randy at TS Performance, they really got a handle on this diesel/nitrous thing.


Dieselrod, stock injectors. And I couldn't tell you my boost and EGT #'s cause to be honest, I've only shot it a handfull of times and I was too busy watching the smoke. I'll know more later once I get more comfortable with it.

BBJ, normally I don't dissagree with anything you say because I have and always will reguard your knowledge base here as awsome. But the nitrous made a huge difference. Far beyond the chips and other mods. But that's just my opinion brother.

Well guys, it's late and I just got done detailing the truck for tommorrow. Thanks for all the comments and I will update yall asap.

 

Thanks for the help Duck. now im really looking into the nitrous since i still have stock injectors and you say it works with your stock injectors. so where did you buy your kit from? and how much was it. ohh and what other kind of mods are you running on your truck?

thanks alot
Mitch

 

all the info i had on the nitrous was there were only very mild gains on stock injectors, but that info is old also. thats sweet that its making that much of a differnce on stock fuel!!

the red racer is getting about 125hp on one shot and 200hp on 2 shots

the injector size and nitrous nozzle size is only known by a couple guys.....

theres videos of the dyno runs over at socaps

i think the nitrous is gonna get tough on the pistons and rods but i dont know how much since i dont know how much the cyl pressures are gonna spike. possibly a way to gradually increase the pressures could be use two nozzles equaling the one you run and shoot progressively, might be something to give a shot

 

Well, it's done. I'm sorry to let you guys down, but I had the lowest #'s out of about 30 trucks. Just about every Dodge there put over 400hp and 800tq. There was three that were high 700hp and maxed the dyno at 1500tq. The big dog of the day was a 12v with twins and nitrous. He went 794hp and maxed the tq at 1500. I was one of three Fords there. One SD made some good #'s but I can't remember what they were exactly, but he was running some big injectors and methanol. The other SD was on the pane and was high 300's for hp. As far as my #'s I'll lay it out in a comparison which will bring up some questions.

In January I dynoed the truck with these mods:
Tymar
3"dp to 4" straight to 5" stacks
FPR shim
Superchip 1705
10K mod

Run 1.......212.11hp/359.17tq with 10k off
Run 2.......218.31hp/386.58tq with 10k on

Today I dynoed with these mods:
Tymar
3"dp to 4" straight to 5" stacks
FPR shim
Jody Tipton 2 pos chip with 40hp and 120hp settings
100hp shot of Nitrous

(these #'s raise questions to me.....) And FWIW the guy running the dyno did my pulls in 5th gear????? I thought it was supposed to be in 4th, the 1 to 1 gear.

Run 1......226.73hp/417.22tq on 40hp setting, no Nitrous
Run 2......222.95hp/420.25tq on 120hp setting, no Nitrous???? No Change??
Run 3......255.42hp/514.89tq on 120hp setting, with Nitrous

I don't understand why the two settings really have no difference. On the road, I can feel more power. And I definatly have more smoke. But if I'm running in the 120hp setting wide open and switch back to the 40hp setting my boost automaticly shoots up like 6 to 8 psi. Is that a timing issue?? I guess I need to call Jody. Obviously his chip outperforms the superchip, and smokes waaay more. All in all, I'm happy. And it definatly kept smoking the entire time I was spraying. So I could go to a bigger shot if I wanted to. But I think I'm gonna leave it alone and hope for some injectors soon. Again sorry to let yall down, but those Dodge boys were just unbeatable today. And my scanners busted so I can't scan in the dyno sheets. I tried to take a digital pic of them but the print is just too small. But I did buy a VHS to DVD burner on my way home, so as soon as I figure it out, I'll post some vids. Thanks for all your support guys, I'm going to bed.

 

buy some 1's and add 100hp to your numbers easily or even bigger injectors than 1's. pretty decent numbers before the nitrous considering the mods.


you may not have made the best #'s there but i bet your truck looked the best there!!!