here we go again- Steering options?
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here we go again- Steering options?
Im in a predicament with my steering options AGAIN, and I need some advice/opinions.
I was having such a hard time finding the right PS bracket for my 1978 Lincoln 302 with 68 heads, that I opted to just forget power steering, and get a manual steering box for my 77 Aspen clip (F Body no doubt
).I finally found one, and its like $200. That got me to thinking. I wonder if I can find a new pump and brackets for somewhere near that price. Im actually thinking I should do the Power Steering setup, but am having a hard time finding the right kit for my particular application.I found a Zoops setup that will fit with remote resevoir, brackets, pump for $419. Thats alot of dough for power steering. I need suggestions, and places to look for me to get brackets and a pump. My biggest problem has been getting things to fit my engine.
Whats everyone else using with their Volare? Was brackets and pump a hassle for you guys too, or am I just completely not getting it?
(1978 Lincoln 302 with 1968 heads)
thanks guys, Ive been on the phone and every dealer I talked to told me I should get the GM Type II with remote res. ($$) I dont recall many of you using that setup, so I figured Id ask you guys.
HELP?!
Rich
I was having such a hard time finding the right PS bracket for my 1978 Lincoln 302 with 68 heads, that I opted to just forget power steering, and get a manual steering box for my 77 Aspen clip (F Body no doubt
).I finally found one, and its like $200. That got me to thinking. I wonder if I can find a new pump and brackets for somewhere near that price. Im actually thinking I should do the Power Steering setup, but am having a hard time finding the right kit for my particular application.I found a Zoops setup that will fit with remote resevoir, brackets, pump for $419. Thats alot of dough for power steering. I need suggestions, and places to look for me to get brackets and a pump. My biggest problem has been getting things to fit my engine.Whats everyone else using with their Volare? Was brackets and pump a hassle for you guys too, or am I just completely not getting it?
(1978 Lincoln 302 with 1968 heads)
thanks guys, Ive been on the phone and every dealer I talked to told me I should get the GM Type II with remote res. ($$) I dont recall many of you using that setup, so I figured Id ask you guys.
HELP?!
Rich
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i had a hell of a time getting power steering brackets for my 289,i finally found a whole set up with the early eaton pump costed me 30.00 and i was happy.next i had to find a 2 groove waterpump pulley and a 3 groove crank pulley,both them costed me 55.00 total.
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Power steering
I am in the early stages of installing PS on my 57 223cu. I plan to install a ram assist unit when funds become available. For now I am trying to construct my own pump bracket. So far I have a first stage cardboard model put togather and I think its going to work. I'm going to refine it somewhat and then start getting my metal togather. Will probabley use 1/4 " for basic construction. Could use an after market 12V ps pump, but they are expensive. Good thing aboout them thought , they can be mounted anywhere. I'm a little concerned about the power drain off my 223, but wont know till I try it. Anyway thats my plans. I'll pass the word as this little project goes along. Roy.
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I'm using a pump from a Mercedes 330. I am doing a serpentine belt setup, with custom made brackets. A/C compressor and idler pulleys to go.
Had power steering last weekend for the first time since I started in 2000, cause I just installed the steering column.
This is a 460 with Volare clip, hand built headers.
Sam
Had power steering last weekend for the first time since I started in 2000, cause I just installed the steering column.
This is a 460 with Volare clip, hand built headers.
Sam
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I'm using the Chrysler PS pump with my Volare because I did not want to deal with the different pump pressures. I modified a GM OEM bracket to make it fit but my engine is non-Ford. A lot of PS pumps are made by the same manufacturer and have mounting bosses which can be used for different applications. Perhaps you can find a late 60s stock PS bracket for a 302 and modify it so that a Chrysler PS pump will bolt to it... 
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Have not gotten my ps pump yet. Should I get a Chrysler pump for this application ? Its going on my 57 223. Also, I hope to run just one belt, am I going to be able to do that ? I will post some pics of the homey pump soon. Thanks . Roy
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On my flathead v8 I put a saginaw type pump on, mounted to a universal power steering pump bracket from Speedway. I then fabricated a backwards "C" shaped bracket with a flange out of 1/4" plate to mount to a couple of driver's side water pump bolt holes, added extra metal to the flange, and drilled holes to bolt the Speedway bracket too. The extra metal gave me an offset so the pulley would line up with the crank pulley correctly, and the speedway bracket has the slotted hole in it to allow tightening the belt. I started all of it also using a cardboard template, but I had a spare block and driver side water pump to do my initial mock up. It's powering a ram assist on a 51 F1, that so far is working great, very easy to steer. I know it's not the same motor, but might be an option to explore.
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When fabricating brackets, lay a straightedge across both pulley faces. If it touches the pulley face on both sides of the pulleys at the same time the alignment is straight. If not, shim as necessary until it does otherwise you will have trouble with belt wear and even throwing belts. Brackets aren't difficult to fabricate or rework, just be sure they are rigid and the belt tension can be adjusted. Sometimes a turnbuckle can be utilized as a tensioner instead of the typical slotted arm.
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On my F100 I have the Ford serpentine set up that was on the motor[84 302]. Seems to work just fine with my Volare [ever notice how we are so carefull to not spell out other non Ford stuff] power steering box. On the 302 in my 46 I used a factory power steering bracket and pump from a [?????] 69 Torino I believe. Works fine with MII power rack. I think if you go to a salvage that has some 70's Ford stuff, or locate some Ford passenger car guys, you can find what you need. Maybe buy a serpentine set up pretty cheap, just make sure you use correct water pump.
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Thanks for the info guys, need all I can get. I have the basic bracket bolted onto the engine. I used 1/4 " metal so I know its ridged enough . I left enough material on the bracket to mount what ever pump I come up with. I'm wondering if I should use a double pulley on the crank and the water pump ? Or maybe just the waterpump then come off the water pump to the PS pump. I want to do it right, but at the same time, I just as soon keep it simple. The serptine setup is one way of doing it. Probably the most reliable. I see a lot of 60 & 70 year pumps on Ebay, should I consider one of those ? I have a lot more questions than answers. Thanks guys. Roy.
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Thank you!
Originally Posted by GreatNorthWoods
A lot of PS pumps are made by the same manufacturer and have mounting bosses which can be used for different applications. Perhaps you can find a late 60s stock PS bracket for a 302 and modify it so that a Chrysler PS pump will bolt to it...
Vern
Vern
I have NO idea what a "Homey" is. Isnt it one of those little figurines they sell in 25 cent machines?
anyways, good reads guys, and Thanks Vern, it was what I was looking for.
Rich
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Not my implication Roy, not at all. I was commenting on how with one post, 3 peoples questions got answered. Thats the great thing about this place. More help than you can shake a stick at. And I learned what a Homey is too!
keep on truckin'
Rich
keep on truckin'
Rich