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Well here is my First post and figured I would ask a question that might get a good debate going,
If you Planned on building a truck 7.3 Diesel with decent power (something that gets the Black smoke going good, Pulling, good 1/4 times , But yet daily driver what would that year be, And why?
For the record I would think 99, Because of the Rods.
I like those 460's I did one up before 86 F250ext cab 2 wheel and got that old speedo to go back around to 20 mph and my brother to hug the floor mats..lol..But I was really thinking about the diesels (guess ishould have mentioned that forgot aobut the displacment.)
LOL, loaded question for this forums. Different stokes for different folks.
Some like the old iron, and some like the new tuners.
I like the old Iron. Stick with my 78 F100, and the brute power of a 460.
he said a 7.3 powerstroke. NOT gassers.
if you were going to be making that much power, you would want Crower billet steel rods anyway, no measley forged or PMR rods. so there fore, i would find the block with the least wear, and bore the cylinders .010 over and have Mahle low compression 15:1 pistons. i could go on and on, want me to?
Now that what im talking about, But I was thinking without opening the block to much maybe some headbolts and injectors, then abunch of extreior parts, turbo,intercooler, things like that, Im thinking the less the block gets open then the cheaper it would be, But If I had the money I thnk a fresh rebuild like your talking with some major cash,
if a blueprinted used block is worn out, it can easily be bored out .010-.030''. pistons are made for both low (15.5) compression and high compression (17:1) as long as the block is spec'd out, you should be fine. make sure there are no stress fractures or cracks, they can become very apparent when upping the output of these engines. for the turbo, i would look at a QSSB unit, which actually takes less than one pound of drive pressure to drive it. on a stock turbo, it takes 2 pounds of drive pressure to produce one pound of boost. not very efficient. on the QSSB, it takes about .8 pounds of drive pressure to make one pound of boost. so it creates a negative delta, which actually pulls the exhaust towards the turbine as fas as i know. you would want the biggest injectors feeding them, talk to Beans Diesel Performance. you would want a tank sump for mass fuel delivery, 5/8'' feed line, and a 8AN fuel delievery system to the rails. speaking of rails, you would want a stealth or Terminator dual HPOP system to fire those fuelie injectors. the stock engine has headBOLTS, you would want to look at high tensile-strength STUDS and you would want to machine the heads for O-rings. no more blown headgaskets and safe for over 40 psi. intercooler, you would probably look at a high flow Tapercore style , i think Hypermax makes them. like i said, billet Crower rods, ceramic coating throughout the heads, domes of pistons, up pipes, tunbine and the exhaust system. keep everything else cool. you would need high strength valves, also ceramic coated. all rod and main bearings would also be coated with nikasil or a similar coating. i have also seen aftermarket headers that mount right up to the turbo. but since you would probably be running a QSSB and H2E in sequence, you would want custom exhaust work also. for pulling, a BTS extreme duty transmission, i could go all the way to the wheels, but im getting sidetracked.
Wow strokin you really seem to know your diesels you got my Eye brow picking up...
What do you think the coins would be on that, with no labor...may have access to machine shop, And I own Big tool box, was thinking about finding motor, and getting it ready, mine only has 144k on it, so im in no hurry, when say 2-3 years down the line would be nice to have a very very scary truck that makes the chevys and dodges run or should i say have no time to read the back lisence plate..lol..in dire need of hobby..
i could probably drop $20000 in the engine, different strokes for different terrain. a drag truck would be a much lighter high-revving truck, and a pulling truck would make most of it's power around 3500-4000 under a consistent load. it would take at least another $10000 to harness that power to the ground, including the transmission ($4000 there), the driveshaft, custom four link front and rear air suspension, and the strongest axles you can find. if you put that much into your truck, you seriously have to worry about torquing the frame. that is why people put weights on the left side of the bumper, because it torques the whole frame and actually the FL wheel loses traction.
my Diesel Tech teacher has a picture on his wallpaper on his computer of a Peterbilt pulling a sled, and the front left wheel (mind you this is a cabover) is about 12-18'' off the ground.
Hey I like the 460, did some nice things with those in the past, But yes Diesels are evil as they blow the black smoke from hell warmed over..lol
I didnt think i would have to spend that much, I wonder what the stock cast rods can hold power wise and stay dependable, if i was to get into drag racing I would have to lose alot of the trucks weight, if i made the truck into a puller i would think that i would add weight, trying to figure a balance but more for dependability and street power to just make the chevys and dodges think a little...
I do know i would have to be worried about the tranny, may might need road trip to Bts since i live in michigan, have him drop it in and play with it on the way back...more fun then shipping it..lol
EVIL???? I have had no devil-ish activity from mine.
I'm just joking around, no problem.
If I were to be pulling a load all the time, like Horse Trailer, I would use a Diesel in a heartbeat for the extra Torque.
The big thing I do not care for is 1, the smoke. I hate following someone that has one. 2, the Noise.
I know they have come a long way, and the new ones are running very quiet now days, but they still sound like a Diesel. I know the new ones run a lot cleaner, and that is much appreicated by people like me. Not because I am a Tree Hugger, but Diesels are becoming more and more popular. A lot of the Farmers around here have them. The big problem is they do not maintain them, and when they take off from a stop light in front of you, you have to wait for the cloud of smoke to clear before you can go.
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking them, I think Diesels have their place, I am just saying for (my) personal taste, I prefer my Gas Burner.
Sorry did not mean to hi-jack the topic, I will be quiet now.
Hey Ibeam it's kewl, My diesel really does'nt smake at all unless I really put my foot into it, the other day I startd it when it was 20deg out side for the first time that day and I had one little pff of white smoke come out then the exhaust was clear, And I have beenaround trucks most of my life and therereally inst ay smell, an the noise is not that bad when it warms up kinda quiets down alot..but to each there own, I dont even listen to the stero any more I like to hear he engine sounds, kinda make me relax...lol