View Poll Results: What is this short block worth?
$1400
16
59.26%
$1500
2
7.41%
$1600
5
18.52%
$1700
1
3.70%
$1800
1
3.70%
$1900
1
3.70%
$2000
1
3.70%
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400 Short Block
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400 Short Block
I would like to get some ideas for what the going rate would be for a 400 shortblock. We have built 1 so far and I am tring to decide what the market is and the price range. Also how much we should put into it. Here's what we have in ours, over kill??
Balanced roatating assy. with stock parts.
Rods reconditioned with ARP bolts.
Badger flat top piston
moly rings
includes new balancer and flexplate
Block has been Baked, blasted and maged
align honed
resurfaced
bored
new cam bearings
Brass expansion plugs
Entire assembly has been run on our Simtest for prelube and inspection purposes.
What your idea??
Balanced roatating assy. with stock parts.
Rods reconditioned with ARP bolts.
Badger flat top piston
moly rings
includes new balancer and flexplate
Block has been Baked, blasted and maged
align honed
resurfaced
bored
new cam bearings
Brass expansion plugs
Entire assembly has been run on our Simtest for prelube and inspection purposes.
What your idea??
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sounds good! for what you list i'd say 800$ is a realistic price. stock block with a oil restricter kit, stock crank, H-beam rods, Forged pistons, set of aftermarket CJ heads...and a good cam...would go for about 2800$
Since i have a 400 with Cj heads, cam, torker intake...(stock internals) and restricter kit.
Since i have a 400 with Cj heads, cam, torker intake...(stock internals) and restricter kit.
Last edited by termyt00; Feb 25, 2006 at 09:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by termyt00
sounds good! for what you list i'd say 800$ is a realistic price. stock block with a oil restricter kit, stock crank, H-beam rods, Forged pistons, set of aftermarket CJ heads...and a good cam...would go for about 2800$
Since i have a 400 with Cj heads, cam, torker intake...(stock internals) and restricter kit.
Since i have a 400 with Cj heads, cam, torker intake...(stock internals) and restricter kit.
Tim,
I voted for the $1600 range..since that is roughly what it would go out of our shop for with similar specs IF we sold them as short blocks..which we don't; we only sell completed engines, 'tin and all', so I had to guess on subtracting a few things.
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We are talking about a 400M right? the engine that was put in just about every Ford car and truck in the 70's and early 80's, possibly a couple of million produced!
CJ Heads are Cobra Jet heads off a 351c. I believe it is Edlebrock that has a updated Boss 302 style head that they are now reproducing. aluminium of course. it might be a Robert Yates spinn-off.
CJ Heads are Cobra Jet heads off a 351c. I believe it is Edlebrock that has a updated Boss 302 style head that they are now reproducing. aluminium of course. it might be a Robert Yates spinn-off.
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400..no 'M'..and yes, that was what the thread is about.
We have been using the 302C Aussie closed-chamber 2V heads for many years and still do..the new Edelbrock heads are very similar the Aussie closed-chamber heads. There is a good chance we will be using a set of those for a build that is just starting..a 434 stroker with MPFI..but not certain yet. If the customer does go that way, it wil be the first 400 we build with aluminum rather than iron heads.
We have been using the 302C Aussie closed-chamber 2V heads for many years and still do..the new Edelbrock heads are very similar the Aussie closed-chamber heads. There is a good chance we will be using a set of those for a build that is just starting..a 434 stroker with MPFI..but not certain yet. If the customer does go that way, it wil be the first 400 we build with aluminum rather than iron heads.
Last edited by IB Tim; Feb 28, 2006 at 07:14 PM.
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Glad to see some one is giving the 400 the att'n it deserves! but most people are going with the windsor strokers. my 400 does relatively well with the 4v quench heads. ya i forgot the CJ's were open chamber. I can pull a few stumps and stangs too.
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Originally Posted by termyt00
We are talking about a 400M right? the engine that was put in just about every Ford car and truck in the 70's and early 80's, possibly a couple of million produced!
CJ Heads are Cobra Jet heads off a 351c. I believe it is Edlebrock that has a updated Boss 302 style head that they are now reproducing. aluminium of course. it might be a Robert Yates spinn-off.
CJ Heads are Cobra Jet heads off a 351c. I believe it is Edlebrock that has a updated Boss 302 style head that they are now reproducing. aluminium of course. it might be a Robert Yates spinn-off.
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remember the 400 came in LTDz / Torino's /Merc's/ LTD II way before they started in the trucks, the 400 started production in the early 70's (i think it was in 72) before the 351m! the 400 production ended in 82/83, the 351m only ran production from; i think 75 to 79, and a few may have lingered to 80. the 351m was just a bad idea from the get go.
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Based on the 383C dyno that made 435TQ @ 3000 with ported 4V heads, I don't see why an engine with an additional 25ci couldn't pass 450 or more likely even 460 at the same rpm. The 383C made peak TQ of 463 and also maintained well over 420TQ to beyond 6000 rpm, all while running a stock cast iron 4V intake.
4V heads get a raw deal everytime the torque subject comes up. Usually the blame should fall on a poor intake and cam selection.
4V heads get a raw deal everytime the torque subject comes up. Usually the blame should fall on a poor intake and cam selection.
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Originally Posted by Brian S
4V heads get a raw deal everytime the torque subject comes up. Usually the blame should fall on a poor intake and cam selection.
We do build high-RPM racing engines too..for MX/TT racers and mud-boggers. But to date, none of those have been 400s...sooner or later we'll be building a 400 with 4V heads, I'm sure.
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Originally Posted by Torque1st
The 400 started production in MY 1971 which meant it was produced starting in 1970 as a 1971 model. First year production power and torque was outstanding.
69/70 was the last year the FE was ever put in a car, the 400 was a replacement for the FE. it bacame known as a 400m after 75 along with its bas_tard cousin the 351M.
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