390 specs
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390 specs
i have a 390 from a '65 galaxy that i'm looking at rebuilding to put in a '59 fairlane, and i'm wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction for the stock measurements / specs on the motor...
as a side note, how much would the inline 6 from the '59 be worth, ballpark?
as a side note, how much would the inline 6 from the '59 be worth, ballpark?
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Stock cyl bore is 4.05 and crank stroke is 3.78. I have both a 300 and 330 HP version both listed with 4v and both with 427 tq for 65. Odd thing is my book also lists a 2v and 4v engine code of Y for the 2v and Z for the 4v but show no hp rating for the 2v until 66 at 265hp. So i'm not quite sure which is correct.
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i have no idea what original intake was with this motor, or even if i have the stock heads. all i have now is the block, oil pan, crank, timing cover and gear, maybe a chain, and two bare heads.
the heads i have were found seperately in a 4 level stack of misc. heads on pallets, but both seem usable. both are c8ae-h, i believe, but with different date codes, i dont remember them off-hand.
from what i remember the block had DTTE-8-2-B in one location and 8A13 in another....am i correct in assuming that the 8A13 is the date code for the block?
the heads i have were found seperately in a 4 level stack of misc. heads on pallets, but both seem usable. both are c8ae-h, i believe, but with different date codes, i dont remember them off-hand.
from what i remember the block had DTTE-8-2-B in one location and 8A13 in another....am i correct in assuming that the 8A13 is the date code for the block?
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Originally Posted by fordeverpower
yeah its the date code, whats the deal with this motor? you building a stock spec 59 or what, the 390 wasn't even out then.
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i saw that! as usual people only post 1/10 of the nessecary info. I don't why people rebuild stuff without any technical resources other than FTE.
bore 4.050
stroke 3.786
deck height 10.17
crank main 2.7488
crank rods 2.4384
short rod 6.488
rocker arm ration 1.73 non adjustable, 1.76 adjustable
4.63 for bore spacing
15426378 firing order
c8ae chamber size 67-70cc
standard valves 2.03 1.56 (service limit)
.371 stem diameter
rod bigend 2.5907-2.5915
rod smallend with bushing 1.028-1.038, without .9752-.9755
camshaft endplay .001-.007
crank endplay .004-.010
rod side clearence .010-.020
c7ae-b rod weight 762-774 grams
c8az-a pushrod length 9.59 inches
c8ae-h head entry 1.93 by 1.34 intake,
torque
cam thrust plate 12-15
main bolts 95-105
rod bolts 40-45
cam eccentric bolt 40-45
rocker shaft 40-45
front timing cover 12-15
oil pump 12-15
head bolts 90
oil pan 9-11
intake 32-35, iron
damper bolt 70-90
oil adaptor 12-15
fuel pump 20-25
water pump 20-25
valve cover 4-7
engine mounts 35-50
insulator braket type 45-60
exhaust manifold 18-24
water sending unit 10
spark plug 15-25
torque converter 20-30
fylwheel bolts 75-85
fan bolts 10-15
bore 4.050
stroke 3.786
deck height 10.17
crank main 2.7488
crank rods 2.4384
short rod 6.488
rocker arm ration 1.73 non adjustable, 1.76 adjustable
4.63 for bore spacing
15426378 firing order
c8ae chamber size 67-70cc
standard valves 2.03 1.56 (service limit)
.371 stem diameter
rod bigend 2.5907-2.5915
rod smallend with bushing 1.028-1.038, without .9752-.9755
camshaft endplay .001-.007
crank endplay .004-.010
rod side clearence .010-.020
c7ae-b rod weight 762-774 grams
c8az-a pushrod length 9.59 inches
c8ae-h head entry 1.93 by 1.34 intake,
torque
cam thrust plate 12-15
main bolts 95-105
rod bolts 40-45
cam eccentric bolt 40-45
rocker shaft 40-45
front timing cover 12-15
oil pump 12-15
head bolts 90
oil pan 9-11
intake 32-35, iron
damper bolt 70-90
oil adaptor 12-15
fuel pump 20-25
water pump 20-25
valve cover 4-7
engine mounts 35-50
insulator braket type 45-60
exhaust manifold 18-24
water sending unit 10
spark plug 15-25
torque converter 20-30
fylwheel bolts 75-85
fan bolts 10-15
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Originally Posted by fordeverpower
i saw that! as usual people only post 1/10 of the nessecary info. I don't why people rebuild stuff without any technical resources other than FTE.
i have other (slower) resources, i simply thought i would pull from the obviously more experienced forum users as well, and what i get is an assuming, arrogant, snide response; albeit quite helpful.
so thanks, i guess...
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Yes the 8A13 is the blocks date code if found below the oil filter adapter mounting pad. It's on the small angled part of the block there. 8A13 is the casting date of 78/Jan/13th. The 82B you found might indeed be 8B2 which is the finished machine date of 78/Feb/2nd. That for the most part is found on a small square boss by the head deck on the left side of the block. So this block coming out of a 65 Gal would have been replaced at some time as it's a 78 block. The block might be a D7TE casting not a DTTE as there was no such thing. The C8-H heads started as 68 castings but were used from late 67 on. The date codes should be between the center two valve spings. The date codes will follow the same format as the block's date code.
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you're probably right about the numbers, i might have gotten them out of order. i got the numbers as i was putting it in storage, as i dont have the time or resources to actually start anything yet. the lighting wasn't great, so i probably just misread them.
i was told that the motor came from a '65, but if it did then i think you're right, it must have been replaced at some point in the car's life.
i was told that the motor came from a '65, but if it did then i think you're right, it must have been replaced at some point in the car's life.
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Originally Posted by hav0k
i posted quite all that i have, and i haven't started anything, thats why i was looking for information. perhaps if you enjoyed a few less of the contents of your avatar, you could have picked up on that.
i have other (slower) resources, i simply thought i would pull from the obviously more experienced forum users as well, and what i get is an assuming, arrogant, snide response; albeit quite helpful.
so thanks, i guess...
i have other (slower) resources, i simply thought i would pull from the obviously more experienced forum users as well, and what i get is an assuming, arrogant, snide response; albeit quite helpful.
so thanks, i guess...
This site and poeple in general **** me off. Some guy a short while ago said he was building a 430 stroker and wonder what camshaft to use. Where's the details on anything.
We have poeple on here on that only post about their trucks, others only come and ask questions and never share or contribute to the forum. Some people seem like they have problems tieing their shoes, imo.
Havok, i didn't mean to start on you. This stuff has been bugging me for awhile.
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Originally Posted by fordeverpower
So what if I was drinking beer, btw i was. I am all out now though.
This site and poeple in general **** me off. Some guy a short while ago said he was building a 430 stroker and wonder what camshaft to use. Where's the details on anything.
We have poeple on here on that only post about their trucks, others only come and ask questions and never share or contribute to the forum. Some people seem like they have problems tieing their shoes, imo.
Havok, i didn't mean to start on you. This stuff has been bugging me for awhile.
This site and poeple in general **** me off. Some guy a short while ago said he was building a 430 stroker and wonder what camshaft to use. Where's the details on anything.
We have poeple on here on that only post about their trucks, others only come and ask questions and never share or contribute to the forum. Some people seem like they have problems tieing their shoes, imo.
Havok, i didn't mean to start on you. This stuff has been bugging me for awhile.
humans are selfish, regardless of country, race, creed, or religion. we think of ourselves first, just as you did when you jumped me for something someone else did that set you off.
the only reason i mentioned beer, is that with the spelling and general tone of your message, i got the impression you were at least mildly inebriated. drunk posting is not much better than drunk dialing....
again, thank you for your information.
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Havok the D7TE block and the 78 date code are the giveaway that it was replaced. A D7 part breaks down as D= 70's decade, 7= 1977. Also you should see two dots under the 8 of the casting number. That started in 69. The first letter of a casting number is the decade....D= 70's C= 60's B= 50's and so on. The C8-H heads are good to use and the exact same as the later D2TE-AA castings minus the hardened seats. Ford often used the same castings and revamped the casting numbers as needed. Some of the blocks, heads, rods are the exact same parts just with different casting numbers. Early 427 C3AE-C rods are the same exact casting as the later C7AE-B 428CJ rods. Just the number changed......
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