oil filter failure
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oil filter failure
i just came back from getting towed off the highway after my engine blew...pretty sure that it collapsed internally and i was not getting any oil...it was an stp filter and qs oil i just changed at most 1k mi ago...about 6 months ago i had a fram go south on me and when i contacted them about it and told them that i cut it open the writing on the wall was that i blew that one...if i contact stp and send them the filter and they determine it was bad what compensation can i expect? if they send me a new filter they can keep it and i wont even bother...anyone have any experiences with these kind of problems...i can see them saying they r not responsible for consequential damages so i am sol
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I have not heard of the insides collapsing before...do you have a remote filter? Could the lines be crossed? I have heard of casing failure on start up when the preasure peaks.Are you running an additive? I've heard that teflon additives in some cases can plug up the element. Just voicing some thoughts, you have my interest...
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it was on sale at az with the qs oil...the filter looked even cheaper than a fram...the inside wall of the filter uses a plastic case that looks like a strong breeze would collapse it...no additives, stock, engine ran great, no oil consuption, i was on the highway getting into it and i could barely here a knock and by the time i checked my gauges the oil pressure was off the charts on the high side the engine blew with a lot of smoke...i figure it probably caught on fire too
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If you had two filters of different designs collapse on the same engine within six months, something was going south in the engine itself. It is hard to imagine the cause was the filters. Were these the correct part numbers for the application?
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Fram did make the STP and Pennzoil line of filters up until 5 months ago. so there is still a lot of them out there.
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Fram does make Pennzoil filters, but I'm not aware of any STP filter ever being made by Fram. What is your basis for saying Fram makes/made STP filters?
Here's a picture of a pre-E Core STP filter, cut open. This picture is at least a year old. That STP filter is a Champion Labs produced filter. One identifying feature of a non E-Core Champion Labs produced filter is that one of the inlet holes will always be bigger than the rest. Fram certainly didn't make the filter pictured here, nor do I believe they make any current production STP oil filters. Air filters maybe????
Here's a picture of a pre-E Core STP filter, cut open. This picture is at least a year old. That STP filter is a Champion Labs produced filter. One identifying feature of a non E-Core Champion Labs produced filter is that one of the inlet holes will always be bigger than the rest. Fram certainly didn't make the filter pictured here, nor do I believe they make any current production STP oil filters. Air filters maybe????
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If you had two filters of different designs collapse on the same engine within six months, something was going south in the engine itself. It is hard to imagine the cause was the filters. Were these the correct part numbers for the application?
these were for different apps and different failures...the fram for my 460 appeared to have too many pleats that it did not flow and it bypassed...i started to notice a problem when my dipstick would shine in the sun like metallic paint
the latest failure was on a gm 3.8l...i still havent inspected the filter but i feel pretty confident that it collapsed...i read the stp 'facts' but dont believe it is as strong as they claim
how do filter manufacturers usually handle defective filters?
these were for different apps and different failures...the fram for my 460 appeared to have too many pleats that it did not flow and it bypassed...i started to notice a problem when my dipstick would shine in the sun like metallic paint
the latest failure was on a gm 3.8l...i still havent inspected the filter but i feel pretty confident that it collapsed...i read the stp 'facts' but dont believe it is as strong as they claim
how do filter manufacturers usually handle defective filters?
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Whenever I change my oil on my 2.3L and wifes 4.2L I use WIX filters; the same kind they use on big trucks.
OH! And I also had a FRAM collapse in my wifes AMC 4.2L, while ideling, so you know what I think about them >#$%@&*
OH! And I also had a FRAM collapse in my wifes AMC 4.2L, while ideling, so you know what I think about them >#$%@&*
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I dont think STP filters have ever been made by Fram.The filter numbering system may be similar or the same but that doesnt mean that they are made by Fram.The numbering system is just easier to use and follow when buying a filter.
Super Tech filters use the same Fram numbering system but are made by Champion Laboratories.
Champ also makes filters using the Lee and Champ names.They also make filters for STP,Mobil,Autozone's house brand,Bosch,Super Tech and Ford factory filters.
This site http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html has a lot of filter information,some of it may have since changed but much is probably still the same.
Champ made E-Core filters are rather new and some like them and some dont.
Super Tech filters use the same Fram numbering system but are made by Champion Laboratories.
Champ also makes filters using the Lee and Champ names.They also make filters for STP,Mobil,Autozone's house brand,Bosch,Super Tech and Ford factory filters.
This site http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html has a lot of filter information,some of it may have since changed but much is probably still the same.
Champ made E-Core filters are rather new and some like them and some dont.
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
If you had two filters of different designs collapse on the same engine within six months, something was going south in the engine itself. It is hard to imagine the cause was the filters. Were these the correct part numbers for the application?
Jim
Jim
Someday, Jim's response above was immediately the first thing I thought of, when I read your first topic post. For one, what is your year, make and model of your car? Engine? What viscosity of Quaker State oil were you using? Jim's concern on the part # of the oil filter you were using with the engine you have is valid. Get back to us on these questions, then we'll go from there... ED
