I am rebuilding a 7.3 idi it has a ats turbo.I am going to take it to the truck pulls and need to beat dodge ..hehe..i need some ideas to what to do ..I have a turbo and a 8'' exsost..the pump it turned a little but does not blow black smoke. The truck has 500,000 miles on it and is getting everything redone, and the 5 speed tranny is getting rebuilt.. My budy has a cummins and he always brages it up and i have to try to beat it at the pulls so any advise will be wounderfull Thanks Brandon..

 

good luck with the pulls......lol...unless you have a lot of boost the dodge is going to get you, maybe if you had a newer psd with some mods then you could get him...just my .02's


I had a 99 dodge and I own a 93 Forf 7.3 idi

 

Rebuilding..........remember dont just bore it out.......gotta sleeve it too.

 

You can add nitrious and propane injection which could almost double your horsepower and may shorten your engine life by up to 99%.

 

I have heard that u can run propain all the time and not heart your engine.is this true? I have a ? do they make like a high porfamce cam like the do in the gas??
so do you think i have no chance agist the dodge it is only a 12 valve.but let me tell you it runs rilly good...I am tyered of being but down in my truck and have some extra money and want bring ford back up .there have not been a ford around here to do that .dodge are taking over..I am pushing around 15 to 17 lb. of boost right know.i don't think that it will change with a rebuild and i have heard that is about the limet with the hight compreshion that the idis have.IS there injecters out there that would help or ip that would help.Or would water injection help ir is that just for the psd..I saw a person put low comprection pistions in a idi so they could run more boost but is it worth it and i would have to get a bigger turbo right ,,,, but i can not see it making any diffranse' '''i hope you can read my spelling i am rilly bad''' lol sorry
does any one know where to get the propain injection for the idi i can find them for the psd ..y is it that dodge at the pulls have black smoke everywhere and ford looks like a toy? that drives me crazy!!
that is tha max temp the pryo meter she run at ??
sorry to make this lond i am just racking my brain trying to find a way to take them dodges down
well let me know what you think thanks Brandon.....

 

Yes you can run propane all the time and it will actually extend your engine life, if you use it properly. Kits are available all over the place, but Id try www.dps-performance.com . They also offer a good water injection kit, and yes they are good for IDI's as well as the PSD's.
Also, you should get a new Injector Pump. The best for what you want to do is available at DPS as well, called the "Turbo Calibrated IP". It isnt listed on their website, so you will have to call in and order everything if you want it.
You will probably want DPS's Stage 1 Injectors as well.

There are no cams available, but you could get a new grind from Banks, but It wont help that much. You ought to get some lower compression pistons if you really want to beat the Cummins.

You ought to polish and port the heads/intake manifold yourself. Thats easy horsepower for free, aside from the cost of the grinding/buffing bits.

NOS helps a lot on diesels once you hit the higher RPM's but its very dangerous as far as engine life goes, and is very easy to abuse.

Something that is debatable if it helps or not is a Holley Red or Blue Electric Fuel Pump. I have a Red and I love it. They are at least more reliable than the factoy lift fuel pumps if they dont add more power.

You ought to get a 4" downpipe for it. It will have to be a custom job, because no one makes a production version. Talk to the owner of DPS-performance.com about all of this and see what he thinks. His name is Ken Englesman and hes has done all of this, as well as the 4" downpipe.

If you do all of this, you must have a Boost guage, Pyrometer guage, Transmission guage (if you have an automatic trans) and a Water Temperature guage is a good idea. On top of that, you will need to get the DPS headstuds if you want to continue to run high boost and not blow headgaskets left and right.

I know it seems like I am advertising for DPS, but they are pretty much the only people to offer stuff for the IDI's. You could get the Headstuds from Automotive Racing Parts, but they will have to stop their normal production line to make them for you because they dont offer them right now. In other words, they will be one-offs and cost you double what the DPS headstuds are, and also take 2-3 months to get to your door.

 

I have talked with Ken about several of these items.

They offer a modified pump that is way above turbo fueling rates.
He will also recommend using a 6.9 for the build.
He offers Stage 1 injectors that are a bit above stock.
Water injection was recommended even for my street truck.
Ceramic coated pistons to help with the heat.
Dual turbo systems for more boost.
7.3 valve train to build the 6.9 stronger.
Higher rated valve springs to be able to turn higher RPM than stock.
O ring head gasket so you can run higher boost.
Milled pistons to lower compression ratio so you can run more boost.
This would be a bad idea on a street truck since the lower compression does create starting issues at lower temp, but would be great for a dedicated pulling rig.

If I remember right he has a streetable 6.9 that is putting out over 500 HP.

Why is everyone building Dodge pulling trucks?
Same reason that everyone built Chevy drag race motors, it is cheaper to do.
Also the inline 6 does have a torque advantage over the V 8 configuration.
But you can only use the amount of torque you can get to the ground.

 

wow head boilts are $$$$700$$$$...i have a nother ? where do i get a propain kit i have seen some for 800.00 but have heard some peaple said u can make it from things from your hardware .and they said if you buy everything new it will fun u a 100 but they did not say what all the thing u need and how to ****rule it and where to inject it ...I have a ats turbo kit,, its the older kit not the ''side winder '' and i can not find a rebuild kit for it,,garret made the turbo ..and i called ats to find out and they said take it to a diesel shop and they can do it .but i can do it if i can find the parts ''i have did it befor'' but had parts haha...does any one have a boost and prio gadge they would like to sell ..the one i have are rilly big and on top of my dash..not to stialy lol
is there a quick way to turn up the fule I tryed to do it on my 6.9 i only went a 1/4 turn and did not run any diffrent..


well thanks for the help Brandon..

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mechanic68, where are you located?

 

i live in Bedford PA..

 

Not that far from me down in WV.

 

People build Dodges not only because they are cheap, but also because they are easy. Buy a chip and a set of injectors, and in 1/2 day you can double the horsepower of a cummins. Check out www.turbodieselregister.com. Guys talking about their Dodge street trucks having 400-600hp is common.

 

and the ultimate word is they are TALKING about 4-600 hp. with only changing injectors and a computer chip, i doubt that very much. thats like the 4 cylinder "tuners" TALKING about how they have 400 hp From their 2.0 liter. they know they got it, because the stickers on the side of the car prove it. they don't need do dyno to prove it.

 

Doubt it if you want, but there are several that post their dyno sheets. Besides, when you are starting with 300hp to begin with, an extra 100hp would be easy to get with injectors and a chip. Better yet, find one in your area and ask for a race or a ride. I rode in one with injectors and a chip, and was blown away by the power. It almost made me want to jump off of the Ford bandwagon. Luckily I came to my senses!