Has anyone installed and used the Dr. Performance Predator performance module on a 6.0 PSD? Reading on their web site, they say it provides for more efficient burning of fuel, lower EGT's and increased driveability. They claim it leaves no footprint after being installed. www.drperformance.com

Ruger01

 

That is correct. It leaves no footprint. It plugs into the ICP Sensor (Passenger Side Valve Cover 2004-2006 and above transmission below turbo on 2003's) it is a very simple module if you have a 2004 to 2006 truck!

 

<ST1</ST1Contact Shane at Bay Area Performance in Baytown talk to him or Lori. They sale allot of these modules. I have run the 80HP Dr. Performance module for about 14,000 miles and love it. It is with out a doubt the easiest installation and removal module on the market less than 30 seconds on 04-06 models and leaves no tracks. Transmission shifts are the same as stock.

I believe they still offer a 30 day if you don't like it return it for a full refund.

Good Luck!!!!

 

Ruger01,

It will not leave any trace of being installed but it will leave a high fuel pressure code as the Dr Performance module ONLY raises fuel pressure to attain it's HP. While this does work is doesn't change injection duration, or pulse width of the injection system and can in some cases cause fuel rail pressures to go above the rated max they are designed for.

By getting a product that does pressure, duration and pulse width changes you will get more safe HP and better MPG as well. Costs more in some cases, less in others, but it's a pretty expensive engine too.

Mark @ DPPI

 

Your comments regarding this module are misleading Mark and please no disrespect intended. A Dr. Performance module does not get within 2000 psi of max fuel pressure. I may be wrong, but I believe max fuel pressure is something like 26,000 psi on the 6.0. So if fuel rail pressure is at 24,000 psi you are not going to receive a high fuel pressure code as you have stated. Furthermore the 6.0 has a fuel rail relief valve back to the fuel tank to prevent going above rated max design. There is no safety issue as you have stated regarding high fuel pressure with this module. The current version has a defueler as well.
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A high fuel pressure code is a "soft code" and will clear the trouble light with 4-7 stop / starts of the ignition switch.

Since I did extensive research on this module before purchasing one I can tell you the only module out of the Weatherford facility to have a fuel rail pressure problem was "low" not high.

I believe the 80HP module is the safest 80HP module on the market. Just my opinion based on my experience with it.

 

I try to stay neutral in the tuner/inline device wars, but I would heed Marks Warning here.
Stay away from that thing! It has one function, to raise fuel pressure.
That's not the way to correctly make power.

A tuner is the "best" way IMO, but if you go with an inline device use something like an Edge that actually changes fuel PW and injection timing, etc...(you know, something that has some ENGINEERING behind it)

 

I think I'll bail out on this one. I will not pertake into a technincal conversation with someone whom makes a blanket statement with NO technincal response to support your claim. Again, no pun intended.

To imply Predator Power Modules (Dr. Performance) have no ENGINEERING behind them is absurd. Not sure, but I believe they have or had the fastest diesel truck on the planet at one time. End of discussion.

Good Luck with your truck Ruger01 if I can help you any further shoot me a PM and I will try to help.


Best recorded elapse 1/4 mile time of 8.72 seconds at 154.44 miles per hour.

 

It is obvious you have a vested interest in the product you are defending.

Thats fine.

I spent THOUSANDS of hours on the dyno creating the files for the superchips 1704. I'm out of the tuning business now, but have seen nearly every product on the market.

I'd rather not turn this discussion technical, nor turn it into a huge conflict.
I do not personally feel it is a quality product, and many others share the same sentiment.

Superchips, Diablosport, SCT, Edge...are all companies that provide different tunes, but all are a great value for the dollar.


On Dr performances site, it says PCM flashes "circumvent" fuel delivery.
Actually, a PCM flash controls it directly and correctly.
The DR Performance product circumvents fuel delivery because it is an inline device.
Anything you "bolt on" circumvents the PCM.

Yes, I developed the files for superchips and that makes me biased, but while some of the others (Edge, Predator, etc) don't match my taste, they have a good, saleable product.

In my opinion, the Dr Perf is not a quality product.
I am certainly allowed to have an opinion.

Why don't we call this one a truce right here, for the sake of the forum.

 

I am curious. If "add-on" only raise fuel pressure...could that have an adverse affect on injectors? Pre-mature failures?

 

Well, here it goes again. The inline vs. tuner war begins. On one hand you have guys who use the product, and on the other you have guys who used to program (create files). Vic, you say " Dr performace circumvents fuel delivery because it's an inline devise" Well, I have a BANKS system and it's and inline device, are you impling that my unit circumvents fuel delivery? If you are, then you are wrong!! Matter of fact, Banks is stacked which is what most guys with tuners want to accomplish. My unit tunes pules width, timing, and fuel pressure. Although I admit I know nothing about Dr Performance, it does seem that the guys who program, used to program, or sell the tuner products are the ones who start these so called wars because they make blanket statements like stay away from inline devices, stay way from BANKS, or even don't be a loser, go with a tuner. all of which has been said on this website.

 

its very simple.............unless u use a device that changes the actual "software" of the engine u are only "adding" on something......its simple computer logic. obviously, u can add a program afterwards to change the software, but the software itself insnt changed (unless the "virus" completely corrupts the file") as in anything else, always go back to the source in order to make it better, dont just add on to it.


If this reply makes no sense so be it, ive hada few drinks and it just cracks me up that people dont understand the basic principles of how computers work. SAYING that...........my father who is 55 doesnt understand computers at all (other than typing and printing), but in this day and age we should understand the differene between software and hardware......from what i understand......

SOME (possibly not all) inline devices change (corrupt) the software program thats in the PCM..........changing the program is neve good unless u replace it.......just look at microsoft windows updates LOL

(simple explanation granted,..........but i believe in the KISS principle.........if u dont know what it means ill let ya know, its not rude, its just a principle)

 

OH, by the way tierod.............

If u use the BANKS system, good for u, i hope many miles and many grins upom you. However, i feel BANKS is over priced for that is gained. I lookked at it, what do all diesel guys know? BANKS..................i looked and investigated...........the dofference in price made me think? so to give up some HP (possibly) i save money?

What i decided was this. Anything other than a "basic upgrade" to these trucks will void the warranty..........y pay extra for a few more horses *(again maybe) and for what?

Im not discrediting ur choice, ive seen banks and i like it, if i had a bottomless pocket.
I will admit id like to install their intercooler one of these days, since as far as i know no one else makes one.

 

What the heck are you talking about?
I rarely call anyone out like this, but you are simply not very bright.

Your logic is completely invalid (as is your punctuation, spelling and general attitude).

I could sit here and tell you all the time I (and some others here) have spent tuning vehicles the correct way, but it just isn't worth the time.

When you rewrite what you call 'computer logic", do you misspell all of your commands?

Unbelieveable.
Truly unbelieveable. LOL

There are values set within the stock program to control fueling, injector timing, boost, torque reduction, line pressure, shifting, open/closed loop control (which these stay in closed loop all the time if running correctly).
These values (and what I mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg) are set by a HUMAN, and this human was an OEM Ford calibrator primarily concerned with a producton vehicle, not max performance.

These values are in 32 bit full floating hex format.
When another human (who has a clue what they are doing and has some good software tools), changes these values properly and collectively, and follows through with thousands of dyno,street and towing hours, datalogging hours and hours of information from the PCM, analyzing it, fine tuning it, etc... you then have a properly tuned vehicle.

This I have done.
Have you?

I am not against inline tuning, I just feel flashing is more ideal for many reasons.
Banks and Edge have quality inline products, if inline products are your thing.

The beef I have with you is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

There is an old saying:

"Talk what you know"

Read it (I know its hard).
Study it.
Live by it.

 

I think Banks has a great product, and yes is alters boost, injection timing, fuel, etc. There are limitations with inline tuning, but at least they have a clue what they are doing and are making "correct" changes, albeit after the PCM.

I'm mainly having issues with invalid arguments made by people who aren't "all there" and have no place arguing subjects in which they have no experience.

No issues with you or your tuning device whatsoever

 

hey vic, sorry my punctuation and grammar was incorrect so many times. Lets just say friday nite happened to be an extended happy hour.

And, no i have no experience in tuning and software writing, my knowledge of it is very limited. All i was trying to say i just think it is better (at least from a home computer point of view, and using windows i have had lots of experience with the software going buggy) to flash the computer and completely change the programming, instead of altering it downstream from the main control point.

If what i just said again makes no sense well so be it, i am wrong. Thats just my general understanding of these computer systems on vehicles and what not. Im always open to learn new things, i was just stating what i thought thats all, i am by no means a guru when it comes to this stuff.

But i can say thank god our trucks dont use some sort of windows operating system LOL.

And I am no against tuning whatsoever. Done responsibly it can do wonders for these trucks.