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huh...? i don't know what you are talking about since i don't shut off my truck or my wife's car when refueling.... if you are talking about the fact that i prefer a diesel motor in my 1 ton truck so that it can actually do some work... i am sorry but i think of that as an informed decision made by a truck buying consumer... you have to pardon me if i "am a little smarter than the average bear..." but that doesn't mean i have a "diesel superiority complex".... i just like what i have.... and if i want some real attention at a gas station i'll just blow it up since you think of me as just some kind of glory hound..... honestly... i find your comment rather offensive...
Sorry, I honestly didn't mean to offend anybody with my (sarcastic) attempt at humor.
I'm sure you have some sound reasons for not turning your vehicles off while you fuel them. I'm kind of a slow thinker myself, maybe you could share them with me.
Originally Posted by 1997F-350
in all seriousness does anybody know? or do i need to experiment.....
i was thinking about trying one of those long lighters that have the little static thingy at the end with a cup of diesel to see if it lights off...definitely dont want to light my truck on fire one of these days at the pump
The "salamander" type diesel fueled heaters use a spark-plug type igniter in them, so yes, you can ignite diesel with an arc.
If you throw a match in a pan of diesel fuel it will go out.
The salamander heaters that use the long spark plug in them and are spraying finely misted fuel and air across the spark plug. That is a lot different than a pan of fuel.
-140 is way lower than 120 in my math book, difference is 260 degrees.
That tanker is dropping lots of fuel through a big hose. Plus it is displacing lots of vapors out of the storage tank, fast. I have seen stations close and block off an area around their tank vents on real hot days while the tanker is dropping fuel. 8 or 9 thousand gallons of gasoline displaces a lot of vapors out of the tanks.
Disclaimer, try this at your own risk. It works this way in WV, but we are a little different here.
Last edited by Dave Sponaugle; Jan 8, 2006 at 09:43 PM.
I'm sure you have some sound reasons for not turning your vehicles off while you fuel them. I'm kind of a slow thinker myself, maybe you could share them with me.
a few reasons i dont well i already mentioned some...
a few more:
lazy
egts
lazy
reduced wear and tear on starter (i've already replaced it once $200)
quicker to get going again...in city that has very few diesel pumps at the gas stations you got people breathing down your neck to get to the pump..
How could it not be? AGE guy has to bond the refuel truck to the aircraft and the ground point before he rolls out the hose.
This is true in the military....HOWEVER...On the civilian side, it is not always the case. Their FAA approved 10 minute training video is more than enough to qualify you to drive around a 15000 gallon fuel truck. I've been in the airline industry for close to 20 years, and lately, the quality and attention to detail from these third party vendors is poor at best. If you need examples of this, look at Alaska Air's recent "events". Outsourcing at it's best.
A lot is made of the safety properties of diesel fuel as a justification for leaving it running. How many of you fill up at an "all diesel" fueling island? I for one have gas pumps less than 6 feet from where I am pumping diesel.
If the aircraft is bonded to the refuel truck properly you shouldn't.
I work on Huey helicopter up here in ND. With the metal skids touching the ground static electricity has a place to dissipate, even with that and grounding to the refuel truck, in the winter when it is dry, high flow, around 200 gallons in 5-8 minutes, static can build up, there are several warnings in our checklist about this. Because the pumps at the station don't really pump that fast I am not worried about static electricity, and is one of the reasons why I leave my truck running while I refuel.
I leave mine running so my turbo can cool down, where I fuel up is right off the freeway.. When the wife and kids are in it I shut it down because I couldnt live with myself if something happened to them..
I will always shut down. If for no other reason then the little kids sitting in the minivan 40 feet away. That's a risk, no matter how small, I will not take.
Its not the engine running thats the problem,its when people get out of there car and get back in while there fueling up.Then they go and touch the pump and cause an arch.(static)
by pump i meant nozzle.Sorry.
Natural gas companys use deisels.When they have a leak they pull right up to the leak with there deisel trucks.The gas companys gas trucks stay away from it.
Sorry, I honestly didn't mean to offend anybody with my (sarcastic) attempt at humor.
I'm sure you have some sound reasons for not turning your vehicles off while you fuel them. I'm kind of a slow thinker myself, maybe you could share them with me.
sorry clux, i didn't realize that you were being sacrastic... i should have know better... a little "lol..!" will help to clue me in when i'm missing your point..! lol..!
The Only comment I make to this issue is: My fuel gauge in my 2000 250 takes about a 1/2 hour to reset to full if I let it run during refueling. The pcm has a check routine on start up that resets the gauge faster than when I let it run. When I leave I kinda want to know the puppy is FULL.