Black Box
"Mifflin Clay"
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by kw5413
Young whipper snappers. I never know what the hell you guys are talking about when you get into this stuff.
You turn it on it's supposed to go. You turn it off, it's supposed to stop. All I know.
Shoot, I don't even use the camera or voice activation on my cell phone
. 
You turn it on it's supposed to go. You turn it off, it's supposed to stop. All I know.
Shoot, I don't even use the camera or voice activation on my cell phone
. 
Post Fiend
Joined: Apr 2004
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From: Great State of Texas
Hey...this is cool. Never thought I would be a yping whipper snapper at 53.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
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Joined: Dec 2004
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From: ontario canada
For what its worth. When I retired 8 years ago from the Ontario Provincial Police(Like your State Troopers) we had the equipment to download the information from large semi's. This was only done in serious crashes or deaths. The data was then taken to specialists who decoded it for us. There were also some newer cars and trucks that also had downloadble computers. I imagine 8 years later it is concievable that most vehicles have this technology. I would guess your local Ford dealer might be able to do it also. I will ask my service guy. He's the best. He will actually order you a Quadzilla and install it for you.( He seems to like it best.) Will report back on it if anyone is interested if Big Brother can track you.
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From: Breaux Bridge,La.
kw it is on going battle that I am not sure half of us on here really understand but have to try just enjoy our trucks and at the ripe age of 70 I am having to do overtime doing google to find out half the stuff being talked about on the computer subject. You are right we can no longer do the shade tree stuff.
Wonder where this thing with the black box will take us, not any place we want to go I'll bet.
wes
Wonder where this thing with the black box will take us, not any place we want to go I'll bet.
wes
"Mifflin Clay"
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by kw5413
Hey...this is cool. Never thought I would be a yping whipper snapper at 53.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
Googling "canbus" returns 73 pages of hits ........
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: May 2004
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From: Melbourne, Aus
CANBUS is just a way for the computers to comunicate between each other. Each module will communicate to each other and can send signals both ways down the same wire.
For example your ABS sensor at your front wheels may go straight to your PCM (Powertrain Control Module) as opposed to your ABS module, because the PCM is closer. From the PCM it sends the signal to the ABS module (quite often refered to as the GEM - General E.... Module, can't recall what the E stands for) - then the ABS module will send a signal back down to the brakes - possible again via the PCM.
As for the different modules - I think in the future we will see all of the items being processed by one unit (with maybe a seperate one for safety related stuff like pretensioners, airbags ABS etc.). This is already being done to a certain extent in the Explorer (saves mucho $$$).
For example your ABS sensor at your front wheels may go straight to your PCM (Powertrain Control Module) as opposed to your ABS module, because the PCM is closer. From the PCM it sends the signal to the ABS module (quite often refered to as the GEM - General E.... Module, can't recall what the E stands for) - then the ABS module will send a signal back down to the brakes - possible again via the PCM.
As for the different modules - I think in the future we will see all of the items being processed by one unit (with maybe a seperate one for safety related stuff like pretensioners, airbags ABS etc.). This is already being done to a certain extent in the Explorer (saves mucho $$$).
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From: Ohio
I saw the computer age coming and knew what kind of benefit it would have. I consider myself an oldster like KW.....
but didn't want to miss the bus completely.
I have more or less been self taught.....I electronically fuel injected a car of mine and was impressed with the results from the "New Age" of tuning. Matt is good to have around and explain a few (huge amounts) of things I don't really understand.
I do understand the right amount of voltage will destroy anything with a few wires and silicon......
but didn't want to miss the bus completely.I have more or less been self taught.....I electronically fuel injected a car of mine and was impressed with the results from the "New Age" of tuning. Matt is good to have around and explain a few (huge amounts) of things I don't really understand.
I do understand the right amount of voltage will destroy anything with a few wires and silicon......
FTE Leadership Emeritus
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From: Melbourne, Aus
Originally Posted by Maxium4x4
I do understand the right amount of voltage will destroy anything with a few wires and silicon......
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Here Is The Way I Look At It. I Will Probably Never Find The Black Box In My Truck, Nor Do I Care If I Do.
But When I Die, People Will Say (there Lies No Dummy, He New All About The Automotive Black Box)
And That's All Thanks To Fte And The Great People That Use It.
Thanks Again
But When I Die, People Will Say (there Lies No Dummy, He New All About The Automotive Black Box)
And That's All Thanks To Fte And The Great People That Use It.
Thanks Again
Got Diesel?
Joined: Jan 2004
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Originally Posted by kw5413
Hey...this is cool. Never thought I would be a yping whipper snapper at 53.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
But seriuosly folks. Where the heck was I, when they were passing out all this ding, dang, computer stuff? And for trucks at that.
I can't chill a 12-pack (or 2) and call my buddies over for a day of shade tree mechanics anymore.
Got Diesel?
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
Here is a picture of the module in question and the corresponding pinout of the main harness connector. This module communicates over ISO Bus (9141) which is accessible with most network passthru devices. I will not go into details of this for reasons that don't even need to be stated, but data can be manipulated and/or destroyed...the memory is not protected in any form or fashion.
Thanks,
Last edited by Beachbumcook; Jan 4, 2006 at 04:51 PM.
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From: Great State of Texas
Originally Posted by Beachbumcook
Call me and I will supply the beer. We can at least talk about it... just don't know what it all means. Since the FTE rally is in KC this summer, maybe we will need to get together at my place (now I have to find someplace to send my wife for the weekend... maybe her mother's in Wichita, KS - 3 hours way).
Got Diesel?
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Originally Posted by kw5413
Cool. On my next trip to KC we will have to go on a beer safari. All in the name of curing Ford's ills.
How often do you come to KC?