I think everyone knows about the 6.0.Ford screwed up not fixing the motor to begin with.You might find 6.0's on the side of the road because of the motor. You'll find dodges on the side of the road and only thing still working is the engine.

 

Ive never seen a powerstroke on the side of the road here in North Carolina, but I have seen a crap load of Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs! Oh yeah and here lately lots and lots of Chevy Cavilers!

 

Nobody can deny that the 6.0 has problems. My company has two of them left and we have had to get them towed off of job sites more than once or twice. You really can't blame the 6.0 owners from wanting to defend their trucks. I've seen some guys treat their trucks better than their kids. When ever I hear a 6.0 owner going off about how great his truck is and how all the stories about the problems are a myths and lies it reminds me of the mother of a mass murderer talking about what a sweet and loving boy her son is. I live in Florida and I have seen them on the side of the road here and even more important at the local stealership. The dealership here in town even hired two more diesel techs because they could not keep up with the repairs. The last time we had to put one of the 6.0's in for repair we had to wait two weeks for an apointment. When we dropped the truck off there were 4 more ahead of it.

 

How many times do you see posts on forums like FTE saying, "Just wanted to let everyone that my truck/car works like a champ!"?

 

Uhh very common infact.

6.9 to 7.3IDI comes to mind, lets not forget GMs diesels either, as well as a whole pile of gasser motors for all makers.

But hey, sometimes I like to have my head in the sand too.

 

I guess I have a hard time understanding why these manufacturers keep making the same mistake about how to deal with their customers. Why stick your head in the sand and hope it will go away? Don't they realize how many customers they are discouraging from trying any other new product? Do they honestly think that the same customers who got duped the first time are going to come back again? Even though I don't own a diesel and probably never will, do they think the average consumer, which includes me, is stupid? Sometimes I feel they think we are a bunch of Lemmings, willing to follow them off the cliff. And I'm including ALL the domestic manufacturers in this. If this problem is as bad as everyone is saying, then think about this: If this product was a childrens toy, it would have been pulled off the shelf immediately and a total recall/buyback would have been ordered.

 

I think there are a couple of things that cause you to see so many Fords along the roadways. First, there are more of them out there so there will be more on the side of the road. Second, it is what you notice. I found that whatever vehicle I have or am looking for , they seem to be everywhere. I never noticed Subarus, Buick Park Avenues, Lincoln Town Cars, New style F150, etc. until I bought one and then they seemed to be everywhere.

 

That's true, good point.

 

i don't look on roadsides for my "fortune teller" lol, i look in junkyards. ford has been no. one selling truck for, what is it, 100 years now(should be hehe), but junkyards are full of chebbies and dudges. a bad engine design will get out once in a while, the push to get to market is too great to do effective long term tests on enough motors to find the flaw, so we get to do it, lol. nobody and no company is perfect

 

Hundreds of millions of dollars? I'm sure the 6.4 was not cheap to develop, no new engine is. But I really doubt Ford has spent hundreds of millions on developing the 6.4.

Get real.

 

Just by looking at the problems that the 6.0 and it's International sister the VT365 have something tells me they didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D. I think they just skipped the whole R&D testing thing and just shipped it out to the market. The money they saved in R&D and testing went to pay for all the warranty repairs LOL. As it has already been said this was just one bad design among thousands of good ones that Ford has produced. It was poor judgment on someones part, who's dosn't really matter anymore. What Ford needs to now is address the problem and not blame the consumers. I have heard of too many people getting jerked around on what should be warranty repairs on their brand new $45,000 trucks just because they did a few mods. I think if Ford and Navistar just came out and said we messed up and we're going to do everything we can to make it right and do it. That would not only satisfy the owners of the troubled 6.0s, but would probably win over more people to Ford. I know if I owned something other than a Ford and saw them do that my next car/truck would be a Ford.

 

As I've said before, EVERY maker has a "bad 'un" get loose once in a while, and it appears that the 6.0 PSD is one of them. I've noticed here in NJ that alot of Ford fleets are beginning to sprout "V-10" badges on them. Makes sense, as it had plenty of punch, is smooth and quiet, and can handle the truck tasks placed before it.


I've had Fords in the past that I really didn't like, but I feel that overall, it's the best you can get for the money and then some.

I've seen Toyotas, those alledged pillars of quality, with burned motors and tranny's that have coughed their innards...GM's and Chryslers with myriad problems, and even BMW's and Porsches on "the hook" heading back to a dealer.

If the Japanese and Europeans were so good and pure, then why does Toyota and Mercedes even HAVE service and parts depts at their dealers?

Point made, EVERY maker has a goof, and sometimes, the most popular vehicle is the one with the goof. It just happens, and that's that.

Back in the 80s I had a 84 Recaro Edition Pontiac Trans-Am. Gorgeous car that everyone wanted a ride in...it was also the biggest hunk of junk I ever owned bar none...it never ran right, and it seemed that something was always breaking on it. And still..Pontiac sold ALOT of those.

 

In the case of Rolls Royces, they were probably on the side of the road due to reliability problems, like all English made vehicles.....

 

farmtwuck- hundreds of millions was referring to the 6.0 engine- not the 6.4. maybe that was their problem the first time around with the 6.0. not enough money on r&d (since you are more intimate with the r&d costs than i am.) i can guarantee you ford,etc has spent double on the new 6.4 engine. they can afford another nightmare again!- so soon with their new diesel engine!

 

13 6.0 super duty's with anywhere from 2,000 miles to 213,000 miles. only one has been back to the dealer, and that was for low oil pressure at 3,000 miles. after the fix, it now has 62,000 on it. i think lack of maintenance has a lot to do with it.