hydraulic winch connection
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hydraulic winch connection
I have an 04 F250 with the 6.0 diesel engine. I want to put a milemarker hydraulic winch on it and I am wondering if anyone has had any trouble with this setup on the diesel truck. Any powersteering pump problems, what rpm do you have to run the truck at to get power out of the winch?
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I don't have any experience with the winch itself, but another consideration might be to get a PTO provision installed and run the hydro pump off of it. Or I know on the 7.3L you could get them with a dual alt. installation. Might be able to modifiy the braketry on that and add another PS pump there to run the winch specifically.
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I have installed the same winch on my 1997 F-350 7.3 PSD, with no problems with the power steering. I do remember that the power steering line fittings were a pain to get to, and I had a bit of trouble getting one of the new hose fittings to thread in to the boss on the pump. The solenoid was a challenge to mount, but I ended up putting it in front of the left battery, which had to be temporarily removed to get to it. But no problems with the pump afterward. Overall, was a nicely made unit.
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why don't you want an electric winch? easier install with no hoses to blow. though eletric winch can suffer from electrical problems. what about a situation where you can't run your truck safely, like deep water where you may suckk water and destroy your engine?
i don't ahve any experience with any winch but just a few things i can think of that may be a concern with a hydralic winch. of course maybe your situation your putting the winch on for wreck service so my concerns don't really come into play.
i don't ahve any experience with any winch but just a few things i can think of that may be a concern with a hydralic winch. of course maybe your situation your putting the winch on for wreck service so my concerns don't really come into play.
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I seriously considered the bigger electric winches, since my truck has two batteries I figured I could run a 9000 or 10000 lb winch no problem. Then I started reading up on the run time of the powerful electrics and what the battery draw is on them, 400 plus amps 3rd or 4th wrap ect. Since I am going to use the winch to haul heavy boats out of the water and the run time is going to be 5 to 10 plus minutes continuous I figured the hydraulics where the way to go. I just blew up an electric (OK a very weak one 4700lb) and it left me and a boat sitting in water with the tide comeing in. I got the boat out but had to change shorts later.
HEY GAGNON, do you have to race your engine to make the PSI to run the winch?
HEY GAGNON, do you have to race your engine to make the PSI to run the winch?
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If you're talking about a 5 to 10 minute continuous pull at or near the rated capacity of the winch, the power steering (hydraulic) fluid is going to get HOT. Work = Heat. You should definitely consider upgrading the size of the P/S cooler and / or adding an electric cooling fan to the cooler unit since you'll be doing this standing still. Just remember, when the Ford engineers designed the P/S pump they sized it to run the power steeing and brakes, neither of which is a continuous, high load application. Change the fluid regularly and expect reduced component life.
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i have a front winch on my truck. quick question. i find it nearly impossible even when i have the 125' length of cable out, it still does not take nearly 5 let alone 10 minutes of winching. i also have a warn hs9500 on the rear of the truck, besides for the 12000 on the front, and if you are worried about the load with a big winch, you can always use a ****** block, which doubles the load capacity. ex, pulling a 10000 boat straight pull, install a ****** block, the winch will only think it has a 5000 boat pulling in to the truck. how are you pulling boats out of the water. without a trailer--lol. the max line length you are gonna get with a heavy winch is about 90'. at most, 125'. keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by buba 11
I seriously considered the bigger electric winches, since my truck has two batteries I figured I could run a 9000 or 10000 lb winch no problem. Then I started reading up on the run time of the powerful electrics and what the battery draw is on them, 400 plus amps 3rd or 4th wrap ect. Since I am going to use the winch to haul heavy boats out of the water and the run time is going to be 5 to 10 plus minutes continuous I figured the hydraulics where the way to go. I just blew up an electric (OK a very weak one 4700lb) and it left me and a boat sitting in water with the tide comeing in. I got the boat out but had to change shorts later.
HEY GAGNON, do you have to race your engine to make the PSI to run the winch?
HEY GAGNON, do you have to race your engine to make the PSI to run the winch?
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Originally Posted by RACERX7775
i have a front winch on my truck. quick question. i find it nearly impossible even when i have the 125' length of cable out, it still does not take nearly 5 let alone 10 minutes of winching. i also have a warn hs9500 on the rear of the truck, besides for the 12000 on the front, and if you are worried about the load with a big winch, you can always use a ****** block, which doubles the load capacity. ex, pulling a 10000 boat straight pull, install a ****** block, the winch will only think it has a 5000 boat pulling in to the truck. how are you pulling boats out of the water. without a trailer--lol. the max line length you are gonna get with a heavy winch is about 90'. at most, 125'. keep us posted.
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I've used a rear mounted 9000# Warn winch to pull boats onto a trailer. It takes only a couple of minutes winch run time to bring in just about any size boat.
The largest boat was about a 42 footer and we hauled it out onto a 3 axle trailer to work on propeller shafts. The winch never really worked that hard. I doubt if the winch ever had to pull more than a few thousand pounds line tension.
As others have mentioned, electric winches can draw high loads from the battery without having to run your RPM up to power the winch.
Lou Braun
The largest boat was about a 42 footer and we hauled it out onto a 3 axle trailer to work on propeller shafts. The winch never really worked that hard. I doubt if the winch ever had to pull more than a few thousand pounds line tension.
As others have mentioned, electric winches can draw high loads from the battery without having to run your RPM up to power the winch.
Lou Braun
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One thing to definately check out for those running electric winches a lot is a 200 amp alternator with small pulley that they say gives you 200A at idle. I have seen them on ebay for around 200 bucks or so. Supposed to come with a new harness to controll all that power.