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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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take a garden hose, turn it on free flowing, and start to kink the hose. How far do you have to kink it before you see a reduction in the output?
i cant, its winter here and its frozen. becides my wife says i play with my hose to much as it is......
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wlihntr
i cant, its winter here and its frozen. becides my wife says i play with my hose to much as it is......


i have an excuse. but you have a wife. that isnt an excuse.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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i cant, its winter here and its frozen. becides my wife says i play with my hose to much as it is......
Sounds to me like you need to invest in some good thermal underwear
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by clux
Sure. I have also spent thousands of hours in the winter on International and John Deere diesel tractors that had no glow plug or preheating system whatsoever. But that experience has not led me to believe that I should remove or disable the glow plug system on my 7.3.
Not that the AIH has any thing to do with cold starting ability anyway, strictly emissions. But I also think we should be concerned about the emissions of our pickups and the perceptions that a smoking diesel creates. I would much rather have a clean burning diesel than a smoking one.
I would have to look it up again to be sure, but what I remember is the AIH only activates at 20*f or lower.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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I would have to look it up again to be sure, but what I remember is the AIH only activates at 20*f or lower.
FAQ: What is the real purpose of the intake heater, and when does Ford say it will operate normally?

"To reduce white smoke during long idle periods at low ambient temperatures, the PCM will activate the intake air heater. Specific conditions must be present before the heater is activated: "

ambient temperature must be below 0 deg C (32 deg F)
engine oil temperature must be below 55 deg C (131 deg F)
vehicle power must be between 11.8 and 15 volts
parking brake must be applied on manual transmission vehicles
the transmission must be on park or neutral on automatic transmission vehicles
glow plugs must be off


ps. clux, if you feel so strongly about not removing it than dont.

by the way ford F650 and F750's dont have them either
 

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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wlihntr
i cant, its winter here and its frozen. becides my wife says i play with my hose to much as it is......
..... not touchin' that one ........
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wlihntr

ps. clux, if you feel so strongly about not removing it than dont.
Sorry wlihntr, I keep forgetting I'm not supposed to contradict the site conventional wisdom. I'll try to keep my opinions more in line with the majority from here on out

I really do hope that frozen hose problem works out ok for you

Parting shot: Isn't there some federal law thingy about removing emissions control equipment?
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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Parting shot: Isn't there some federal law thingy about removing emissions control equipment?
You mean like the stock air box? The muffler? The cat? The stock PCM tuning? The CCV? The waste gate? or, do you mean JUST the AIH?

Don't forget - EPA views ALL stock equipment as part of the emissions control. If they have their way, you won't be able to change the air filter element unless it is a unit approved by them - as if they know what they are doing.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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In fact, right now EPA is working on a set of rules that they are going to try to implement starting in the 2007 model year that will prevent motorcycle owners from using ANY equipment that is NOT manufactured by the OEM. AND, they are trying to set it up to make it illegal for a motorcycle owner to change anything but the paint and chrome.

IF they succeed, expect them to do the same thing with cars and trucks (it will be easier to set these rules in place against the small minority of bike owners first). Then we can say goodbye to custom trucks and hotrodded engines if EPA does what they want to do.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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Sorry wlihntr, I keep forgetting I'm not supposed to contradict the site conventional wisdom. I'll try to keep my opinions more in line with the majority from here on out
that is not what i said, i think you reading a little to much into things


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Parting shot: Isn't there some federal law thingy about removing emissions control equipment?
it is not part of the emmisions system. emmisions control systems reduce emmisions durning normal operations once the engine is up to operating temp.
its only prupose is to reduce smoke durning warm up...thats it
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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arninetyes:

SEMA is a very decent lobbying group. Motorcycle aftermarket parts manufacturers are a sizable part of SEMA, so those interests will be at least looked after when it comes to things legislative.

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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Oh, yeah. I know they are trying very hard. And I sincerely hope they keep the dogs of EPA at bay. Still, their intent is clear. They believe any alteration of a motor vehicle is "tampering" and they will try again and again, to quash the interests of people like us.

The truth is, they cannot conceive of the idea that anyone would be interested in a vehicle for any reason except transportation. They view us (people who actually like cars, trucks, motorcycles) as mentally deficient and feel the need to protect the world from us.

The reality is, prior to the advent of computerized controls, any hot-rodder that had a decent working knowledge of how engines operated could have tuned engines to produce less pollution than the kludged together piles Detroit sold under direction of the EPA. Oh, and they would have gotten a LOT BETTER fuel mileage and had more power as well.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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The truth is, they cannot conceive of the idea that anyone would be interested in a vehicle for any reason except transportation. They view us (people who actually like cars, trucks, motorcycles) as mentally deficient and feel the need to protect the world from us.
This is only part of their motivation, I believe. Like all good big, bloated bureaucracies created by a bunch of "wiser", self-righteous, elitist liberals, their ambition, indeed their destiny, is to control YOU and every aspect of your life. Afterall, you're too stupid to know what's best for you. All these "controls" that they impose, of course, have nothing to do with exerting control over as many people as possible, "creating" unnecessary jobs, restricting your independence and individualism; they DEFINATELY exist to protect the environment from all the "damage" caused by technology, even though it PALES in comparison to the "damage" caused by natural occurances, such as forest fires, volcanoes, etc.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:15 PM
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This is only part of their motivation, I believe. Like all good big, bloated bureaucracies created by a bunch of "wiser", self-righteous, elitist liberals, their ambition, indeed their destiny, is to control YOU and every aspect of your life. Afterall, you're too stupid to know what's best for you. All these "controls" that they impose, of course, have nothing to do with exerting control over as many people as possible, "creating" unnecessary jobs, restricting your independence and individualism; they DEFINATELY exist to protect the environment from all the "damage" caused by technology, even though it PALES in comparison to the "damage" caused by natural occurances, such as forest fires, volcanoes, etc.
BULLSEYE!!!
 
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wlihntr
that is not what i said, i think you reading a little to much into things
Yeah, maybe so. But I think maybe you are taking some portions of my posts too seriously

Originally Posted by wlihntr
it is not part of the emmisions system. emmisions control systems reduce emmisions durning normal operations once the engine is up to operating temp.
its only prupose is to reduce smoke durning warm up...thats it
I don't think that's quite right. The provisions of the Clean Air Act apply to all of a vehicle's emissions.
From the Clean Air Act, Title 2 Part A Section 202: Establishment of standards
(1) The Administrator shall by regulation prescribe (and
from time to time revise) in accordance with the provisions of
this section, standards applicable to the emission of any air
pollutant from any class or classes of new motor vehicles or
new motor vehicle engines,
which in his judgment cause, or
contribute to, air pollution which may reasonably be
anticipated to endanger public health or welfare.

3)(A) In General.- (i) Unless the standard is changed as
provided in subparagraph (B), regulations under paragraph (1)
of this subsection applicable to emissions of hydrocarbons,
carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, and particulate matter
from classes or categories of heavy-duty vehicles or engines
manufactured during or after model year 1983 shall contain
standards which reflect the greatest degree of emission
reduction achievable through the application of technology
which the Administrator determines will be available for the
model year to which such standards apply, giving appropriate
consider-
ation to cost, energy, and safety factors associated with the
application of such technology.

Same document, Section 203 Prohibited acts

(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or

(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or

Seems pretty clear to me. Covers any emissions, and any parts on the vehicle to reduce emissions.
 

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