Any links, sources, stores you can show us that carry these or do I have to go to Hogswarts to have them brew up this reverse rotation gears you talk about?

 

No you don't threaten me I am just plain tired of bogus, or just plain misinformation bieng posted all the time, and lately in the offroad forum most of it has been coming from you, up to this point i had been bieng nice and just pointing it out gently. Do I know everything? not by a long shot, and I dont' pretend to but on the things I know nothing about I don't post in those areas unless to ask a question. Next if I know something to be true I say it as such but if I just beleive something is right, I desgnate that if you read my post you will see that I said I BELIEVE that the highest you could go was 4.09 in a thick cut gear but I will give you that one, there is ONE company that offers up to 4.88 in thick cut gears for use on series 3 carriers and that is Yukon gear (notice I looked my info up when called out on something and admitted when Iwas wrong) BUT that is on STANDARD cut gears ONLY. I tried 4 different gear manufacturers and not one offers thick gears for the reverse cut gear sets to work on series 3 carriers. And since we are talking about Fords here they would infact be reverse cut so a carrier change would be in order, Oh wait there is not carrier break on ford D44s according to you. This is why the nasty attitude from me, you don't even check your info, and even if you do you won't admit your wrong.
Oh and for info purposes the gear sets for rev cut gears do go up to 3.08 as that was a factory option on some of the 90s F150, I know because that was the gear ratio that my 95 F150 came from the factory with.

 

dam Sno... you got owned

I have never seen monster lash out like this!

-cutts-

 

I got into this one a lil late but, I just redid the gears on my Bronco from 3.08's to 4.88's and yes I did need to buy a new carrier for the front. The break is anything bigger than 3.73's. The 8.8 rear does not have a carrier change, but you will need a new cross pin because the gears are so much thicker. Noticed a HUGE difference when put into 4LO, just crawl right over stuff without hitting the gas. Mine is used for muddin and such tho.

 

If you towed and climbed grade on interstate you will notice it alot becausr you raised your effective gear ratio about 10 to 12 % AND added more drag from tires and added truck height. THere are no freebies here. You effectivel have about a 3.15 to one axle ratio now as compared to stock tires vs 33's on current axle ratio. All things being equal, your engine has to make about 12 to 15% more torque at any given speed or effort compared to stock tires plain and simple which also means 12 to 15% less pulling power too.

 

 

This might be evident to a driver who was operating at 100% of their engine's capacity 100% of the time. Then again you'd be blowing up engines left and right too. You need more torque to turn the tires but you need less RPM to get the job done too which, if operating within the engine's power range, can mean better fuel efficiency. As Bob pointed out the I-6 makes a great deal of low end torque and will operate more efficiently at a lower RPM vs a small V8 engine. I know your formulas look great on paper but there's so many more factors that come into play than you are including. Speaking of which, is it 12% . . . or 15%?

 

umm.. i don't wanna be a facist, but..........

if the dana 44 didn't have a carrier break, THEY WOULDN'T NEED 'THICK GEARS'.

Every other rear end that doesn't have a carrier break does not use thick gears (the housing is setup to accept whatever gear ratio you can throw at it, unlike danas, which try to keep the pinion diameter in a close ratio to the gear thickness).

the whole point of thick gears is to not have a carrier break. (you pay an extra $100 per gear set for this feature, instead of paying $50 for a new carrier).

I'd reallly like to buy a set of 'thick gears' for my Ford 9". Oh my. too bad a set of 6.50 gears for a ford 9" is a lot thicker than 2.47s.

And, there is no difference between a front and rear dana 44 carriers. and as others have pointed out, there are 'reverse cut' gears, and not 'reverse rotation gears'.

 

i dont even know if its been stated....carrier break for 44 is 3.92-down 4.10-up

 

Not sure why because while the carrier may be the same the centerline of the gears and the way they are made is different enough that one carrier may accomadate all gear ratios.

 

Holy crap . . . you don't get it do you? And no matter how many times someone explains it to you some little high on crack voice in your head will tell you to come back here and post more complete crap info just because. Then you have tha audacity to say that we're threatened by you??? I think you're confusing threatened with jealous. We're all extremely jealous of your ignorance. If we could only all be so ignorant and float about the internet posting FALSE information life would be so much easier. Apparently your blatant ignorance has blocked your vision of one simple fact: When people are building something and investing their hard earned money into it and you post FALSE information for them it can cost them money. Sometimes it's a little money, sometimes it's a lot. Sometimes this incorrect info could cost them their lives. Do you really think that none of us has ever built a truck or changed a set of gears or for that matter even purchased a set of gears? Do you really think that dozens of gear, locker and carrier manufacturers have been building things incorrectly all these years? They're probably about as clueless as the alignment shops who tinker with front ends when the real issue is torque steer, huh? Do you want to call Yukon for us and inform them that there is no carrier break for the D44 reverse cut gearset (NOT ROTATION FOR THE LAST TIME TIMMAY!)? Can you, in your number crunching wisdom explain to me why Bronco Graveyard, 4x4 Parts, and numerous other retailers are selling these reverse CUT D44 gearsets in a regular and thick version and why it specifically mentions you can use it with the 4.10 and down carrier??????? http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-...44%20thick&sy=

 

I can prove it any day and twice on Sunday. I do not pull them out of thin air like some do. For one Yukon Gear (a very high quaility gear marker/supplier) maKes all the ratios that I mention and I even have their catalog! (do you want the part numbers???) It is a 05 one and they may have added even more still. You should look and read more before wrongfully accussing someone. Just because you do not know, it does not make it untrue. I make it my point to find answers if they are out there.

 

And this is why its so important for these users portraying themselves as "experts in the know" to be called out and shut down. Snoman, you have have been officially:



The pathetic thing about this situation is that you just can't figure it out and stop posting your useless and potentially dangereous drivel.

 

Here I will save you the trouble of posting the part numbers here is a link to the pdf version of the newest Yukon ring and pinion catalog.
yukon gear
but if you really had it you would already have seen that the carrier break was 3.73 down/3.92up, and the fact that they DO NOT MAKE THICK CUT GEARS FOR USE ON SERIES 3 CARRIERS IN REVERSE CUT GEAR SETS.
That DOES NOT mean that there is no carrier break on ford D44 front ends it DOES mean that if you go from 3.55 to 4.09 you WILL have to change carriers which is what started this entire aurgument in the first place be a man and admit you were wrong for once or quit posting I really don't care anymore.

edit man I hate that the hyper links won't go directly to the site even though this one doesn't compete with any of the sponsers (you can't buy direct from them) but any case when the sponsers link comes up hit the "click here" to go to the site you want button and itwill take you to Yukons catalog.

And Ivan that reverse cut set if for the D60 they don't have them for the D44 in thick cut.

 

I didn't question the ratios you posted. I'm questioning the fact that you insist on a reverse rotation gearset. My point is that there's no such thing.

Sorry Rob, I linked the wrong item. My mistake.