I have read that the 6.0 is designed for optimum performance at a minimum 46 cetane.

It doesn't take a high cetane to meet ASTM D975 industry specification.

BTW: The value of cetane gains plateaus around 50.

 

Want to know more about cetane?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetane_number

And

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...el/L2_2_fs.htm

 

The government does not check and validate stations for diesel as they do gas. There is no compliance requirements. This is why there is such a wide variety of diesel fuel quality across the country. The owner guide does say they should not be necessary -- if the fuel meets the minimum standard, which it doesn't. Use the Ford additives as they are a good value, do the same as the others on the market, and you won't have any issues with warranty coverage.

 

If you stay with a major companies fuel (BP,Shell, etc) then you should have a very good fuel. I have fuel delivered to the farm which is premium with 5% bio and is rated at 51 cetane. runs all farm equipment and trucks extremely well.

 

Power Service products don't provide enough lubricity to counter the additives. My two cents worth. I recommend other products like Standyne, Gunk, Amsoil, or others.

 

Can you put fuel aditives in a brand new truck, with around 100 miles or should I wait to do it till it has over 500 miles ( non-towing period ) or longer??

 

Man, what do you have against PowerService... can you back up your comments? In another thread you again spoke bad about the lack of lubricity your quote from that post is below:

I notice alot of people must be using Power Service additives in their fuel. I personally don't use PS products. While they make good stuff, their fuel additives don't have enough lubricants to counteract the alcohol. I use Amsoil, but there are others aswell. My brother is a diesel tech, that came from him.Just thought I would throw that out there. No need to respond.

Again I respond to your post with what data, websites, analysis do you have to say that PowerService lacks lubrication benefits? In your post above you say that the lubrication provided is not enough to counteract the additves? What additives are you speaking about?

This post you mention additives and in the other thread you speak of alcohol... what are you trying to say or promote because until you have some proof to back up your short posts with no documentation, you appear to have a problem with PowerService... which I will listen and support if you can substantiate your comments (please).

Thanks,

Jeff

 

He is likely another brainwashed Amsoil dealer. As such he has no proof. He is either repeating what someone else has lied to him about ...or he is making it up.

While I would never pour the stuff in my truck some people have had very good experience with Amsoil. The shame of it is... Amsoil folks seem to have to use smoke and mirrors to sell the stuff.

If they have to mislead to sell....I don't need 'em...or any of their products.

Now. Back on topic. I have been using Power Service grey for 24,000 miles and my truck runs great.

Never had a water in fuel light come on...nor have I drained it. Ford has, at my request when it has been in for recalls and reported no water.

 

I've been using schaeffer's #137AND and put it in at a rate of .128 oz per gallon and it works just as good as power service and it only costs me about .02 a gallon to run it so it is cheaper. The reason I don't like the powerservice is because of how much you have to use at one time so looked for other sources and came up with this, so far so good.

 

I have two questions...

1. kw5413's link said that "Premium Diesel" has a min. CN rating of 45. If this is true, do we need to worry about additives? (I have a BP by the house that advertises "Premium Diesel" on their pumps.)

2. Could someone explain to me what you mean by "Disconnecting the EGR"? And why would someone want to do so?

Thanks!

 

Many of us use additives for lubricity of the fuel pumps and injectors... something that all low-sulfur fuel has (lack of whether premium or regular diesel). As well it helps seperate water out so the water seperator can catch it. If it boosts cetane then great and if it helps with a cleaner burn of the fuel.. then great, but I like the benefits of lubricity and hopefully a cleaner burn. Premium diesel (which costs more most of the time) usually benefits from higher cetane which gives each drop more "kick" and hence better fuel mileage (more power per drop).

The EGR stands for "Exhaust Gas Recirculation" and is designed to take exhaust gas and run it back through your intake to "reburn" it along with fresh air. This lowers the pollutants to meet EPA standards, but the EGR valve (opens and closes as needed by the motor) can get clogged with soot and carbon.. plug up and give poor performance.

Due to this, using a CI4+ rated motor oil is preferred, using additives to help in a cleaner burn is preferred and "getting on the throttle" from time to time to "blow it out" has been mentioned many times on this forum to try and keep the EGR clean or cleaner.

Some have disconnected it (when the motor is of) in order to not allow used exhaust gas to re-circulate back through their motor.

Hope this explains it.

 

My buddy just took delivery of a 2006. His Owner Guide has this entry. We checked with some other trucks on the lot that did not have it, so must be a recent change.

Diesel Fuel Conditioner
Additives that will improve fuel cetane numbers may be used to
verify/enhance fuel quality. Use Motorcraft Cetane Booster &
Performance Improver, PM-17-A (U.S.) / PM-17-B (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Canada</st1lace></st1:country-region>) or
equivalent. The customer warranty may be void from using additives that
do not meet or exceed Ford specifications.
Do not use alcohol based additives to correct fuel gelling. This may
result in damage to the fuel injectors/system. Use Motorcraft Anti-Gel &
Performance Improver, PM-18-A (U.S.) / PM-18-B (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Canada</st1lace></st1:country-region>) or
equivalent. The customer warranty may be void from using additives that
do not meet or exceed Ford specifications.

 

From all that I have read and leared is that Standyne is the only "approved brand" as an additive. Ford came out with their own this past summer. I have never read on a bottle or website about any brand meeting Fords spec number listed unless it is so new that manufactures (even Staydyne) do not yet have it on their bottles (hello marketing departments are you reading this)?

The biggest concern is adding or using additives with alcohol or gas engine additves in a diesel motor. Others have used ATF fluid, gas, alcohol and other stuff to thin-out or enhance their fuel... all of which is discouraged in newer trucks. What once worked for your Grandfather no longer works on newer trucks.

I was told that alcohol suspends water which the fuel filter/seperator would let go by and would ruin the injectors. True diesel additives seperate the water frm the fuel and allow the seperator to "catch it" more efficiently and protect the injectors!!!

I personally use PowerService and have used Howes due to price and availability, but I believe that any brand or top quality, diesel only use is just fine and will provide the lubricity, cetane, water seperation needed. In the winter... use one that is for anti-gelling if living in cold weather climates!!!

Jeff

 

Premium diesel does not necessarily translate to quality diesel.

Diesel Fuel additives typically provide water dispersing agents, cleaning agents as well as lubricity enhancements. With the advent of ultra low sulfur diesel...soon to be at a store near you...Fuel additives may present an even greater value.

As a side note, as recently as two months ago I read that the Feds had not yet approved an additive the distributors can use to offset the lubricity losses as a result of the lower sulfur content...so...who knows what we will actually get or when we will get it it.

For further info regarding the EGR strategy and pros / cons to disabling it please go to...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=282640

 

A scare tactic and CYA statement typical of many manufacturers. Ford has used this type of statement regarding oil as well.

As with oil, many additives will likely meet or exceed Ford's specifications.

This is from earlier Ford Broadcast messages regarding the 6.0...

Lacks or Loses Power in Cold Temperatures:
This may be due to fuel gelling or moisture freezing and reducing fuel flow. It is recommended to use a fuel conditioner, such as Stanadyne Performance Formula, to prevent this condition. Do not use conditioners that contain alcohol. Broadcast Message 0436.

Cold Temperature Lack of Power, Poor Economy, Hard Start, Excessive White Smoke:
This could be due to gelling of the fuel, formation of ice in the fuel tanks or lines or poor fuel quality. If diagnosis finds no cause for the above symptoms, try using a fuel conditioner, such as Stanadyne Performance Formula or equivalent, that will improve the cetane level of the fuel. Do not use any product containing alcohol. If the conditions improve with the additive, then find another fuel source or continue to treat the fuel. Broadcast Message 1309, 1464; SSM #17406.