Dodge Challenger
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oops links not working. cut and paste if these don't work
prototype:
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/crossfire.html
final result:
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...05_frst_cross/
prototype:
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/crossfire.html
final result:
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...05_frst_cross/
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I have a feeling Dodge will build it. Given they have an existing platform for it (Charger/Magnum/300) and a market with limited competition (Mustang and.... ?) D-C would be crazy not to. And given how well received the "retro" Mustang has been, I'd hazard a guess Dodge will go a similar route with the Challenger.
Kinda funny how it's the mid-60's all over again: Ford releases the new Mustang amid no competition and GM and Chrysler scramble to match it.
Kinda funny how it's the mid-60's all over again: Ford releases the new Mustang amid no competition and GM and Chrysler scramble to match it.
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Ringo- If there wasn't a Mustang II, there would not be a Mustang today. It was the right car at the right time, the 1973 barge would not have sold during the gas crisis. Ford sold over 400,000 Mustang II's in 1974. More than they have sold new Mustangs in 2005.
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i would really like to see a race between the gt500 and the top of the line 6.1l hemi challenger. that challenger looks like it is pretty close to production, so as long as dodge doesn't have the same kind of bean counters like ford does it should make it. is it me or does ford seem like they deliver a product that is good but just short of being great. personally i was hopping for 500hp from the new mustang and a v10 or v12 in the ford gt.
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I agree that the Mustang 2 was a good seller, initially. A good car, however, well..... 
If Ford would just come thru on a few more of the cars they throw out there as "dream cars".. would be nice to see the Forty Nine and the 427, --complete with a V-10 427---....
On the other hand. Honda already makes a butt ugly SUV box/plastic thing. Maybe a good thing Ford never brought out the latest Bronco or the Model U they proposed..
If Ford would just come thru on a few more of the cars they throw out there as "dream cars".. would be nice to see the Forty Nine and the 427, --complete with a V-10 427---....
On the other hand. Honda already makes a butt ugly SUV box/plastic thing. Maybe a good thing Ford never brought out the latest Bronco or the Model U they proposed..
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Challenger will have 6.1L Hemi, no doubt about that. But there will also be at least one additional V8 Hemi (probably 5.7l) and 1 V6 (probably 3.5l). Concept (from the link) will have 6.1l and it will be introduced at Detroit Auto Show in January. Challenger probably won't be competition for Mustang because V6 model will have starting price at around $25,000 or maybe even more - same price of Mustang V8.
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Ringo- What was wrong with the Mustang II? Given that it was the mid-1970's, and that smog contols were in their infancy, I think it was as good as any other small car out there. Evidently, so did the general public. And, once Ford installed the 302, it went very well for the era. I could have done without the Cobra II and King Cobra graphics, however. Lest we forget, Ford also introduced one of it's most successfull cars in 1975, the Granada/Monarch. Based on a Maverick, like the Mustang II and Pinto. Two home runs in two years, plus the Pinto in 1971, wish they could do that with their cars now!!
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Originally Posted by ggarrahan
Ringo- What was wrong with the Mustang II? Given that it was the mid-1970's, and that smog contols were in their infancy, I think it was as good as any other small car out there. Evidently, so did the general public. And, once Ford installed the 302, it went very well for the era. I could have done without the Cobra II and King Cobra graphics, however. Lest we forget, Ford also introduced one of it's most successfull cars in 1975, the Granada/Monarch. Based on a Maverick, like the Mustang II and Pinto. Two home runs in two years, plus the Pinto in 1971, wish they could do that with their cars now!!
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ggarrahan, my very first car was a '72 Pinto. I was then an even bigger Ford fanatic than I am now.
But, I could NOT, no matter how hard I tried to, get myself to like the styling , handling, or performance of the Mustang 2.
When they scrapped it, in 1978, I whipped right out,and factory ordered a '79 Mustang, at the ripe old age of 20.
The difference in styling , handling, and performance was like day and night.
You don't have to take my word or opinion for it. Check out any Mustang forum. See what they have to say. http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history_74_78.htm
"These were the "Dark Ages" of automotive performance"
Red Star also hit the nail on the head. I owned 3 '79 ford products. None of them was worth a toss, quality wise. Ford nearly lost me as a customer forever from those dark years.
But, I could NOT, no matter how hard I tried to, get myself to like the styling , handling, or performance of the Mustang 2.
When they scrapped it, in 1978, I whipped right out,and factory ordered a '79 Mustang, at the ripe old age of 20.
The difference in styling , handling, and performance was like day and night.
You don't have to take my word or opinion for it. Check out any Mustang forum. See what they have to say. http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history_74_78.htm
"These were the "Dark Ages" of automotive performance"
Red Star also hit the nail on the head. I owned 3 '79 ford products. None of them was worth a toss, quality wise. Ford nearly lost me as a customer forever from those dark years.
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Red Star- Don't know how old you are, but I remember when they came out (17 in September 1973). Didn't seem to have a poor quality reputation back then. The number one car with a bad quality rap was the Vega, followed a little later by the early Aspen/Volare. I drove a 1975 Ghia with the 302, it was a very nice car for the era. And, everbody knew the Pinto was way better than the Vega!
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Ringo- Well, we agree on one thing, the 1979 Fairmont based Mustangs were better than the Mustang II. The Mustang GT of 1982 (right?) brought back the idea of a low cost American performance car. By 1987, with the 225 HP 302, they hauled, nothing could touch the price/performance. Still true today!
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Originally Posted by ggarrahan
Red Star- Don't know how old you are, but I remember when they came out (17 in September 1973). Didn't seem to have a poor quality reputation back then. The number one car with a bad quality rap was the Vega, followed a little later by the early Aspen/Volare. I drove a 1975 Ghia with the 302, it was a very nice car for the era. And, everbody knew the Pinto was way better than the Vega!
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Originally Posted by ggarrahan
Ringo- Well, we agree on one thing, the 1979 Fairmont based Mustangs were better than the Mustang II. The Mustang GT of 1982 (right?) brought back the idea of a low cost American performance car. By 1987, with the 225 HP 302, they hauled, nothing could touch the price/performance. Still true today!