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Swapping a 460 into a Super Duty sounds interesting, but that last bit about being "out powered" by a GM 8.1L seems odd.

 

I would never go back to my thirsty narrow power band 460.

Denny

 

Why do I feel like the price of propane, acetylene, butane, gas, diesel, and all other flammable / combustable liquids may skyrocket.

 

By pull off I want to assume dragging a sled. Bumper to bumper is too much technique and even a small block properly geared with enough weight can drag a 7.3L on steroids all over a parking lot...I Know I have seen it with my own eyes. As a younger man my technique was to **** off the opponent a LOT. Preferably he is drunk, and I **** him off some more. I always try to have much more weight in the bed then he does, as he is getting In I back into him and bump his truck pissing him off even more, then take out the slack about the time he is torquing his motor to max rpm making a lot of niose and heat. I just wait for him to squall and smoke his tires some until they are good and hot, then I gently drag him across the lot. Never chain to a truck bigger and heavier than you, I don't care if you have 1000HP! I know folks who cheat and squirt a shot of Brillcream(sp?) on the opponets tires as they talk smack looking over their trucks.

In a distance pull with a sled we can have traction and weight problems also. Of course there is a lot of technique in this sport and I have seen smaller displacment motors walk "full pulls" faster then some bigger motors. Typically this is a one gear race and max rpm... Most of the time HP and torque will dominate. Tires and gears can make more of a difference then a few extra HP in these events.

Bumper chaining are events for Macho idiots in my humble opinion and I admit to chaining up to a truck in my ignorant youth. Now I just go and watch because you can see some spectacular destruction when a motor throws a rod, grenades a clutch, torque breaks a tail shaft housing, or snaps a pinion shaft and the drive shaft beats hell out of itself and every thing near it! A real HOOT! I have seen dudes or is it duds chain up to an old beat up sleeper with their new $50,000 PSD on steroids and beat their truck to death and the same guy a month later is bitching about this or that going to hell and wanting Ford to fix it for free... they really tick me off!

 

My nephew-in-law started working at a Dodge dealer about a year ago...

During this past July, he started with the Hemi stuff at a family event. "Come on, lets chain up your truck to a Hemi, it'll drag you all over the place" - that's a direct quote.

I said "Do you remember I have a V10?" - he got pissed and said "Aw, forget about it..." and stalked away...

He just got a Hemi ... in a 1500. I just laughed because I realized he was thinking 1/2 ton vs. 1/2 ton...

It would have been no contest even if he had nitrous, blower, bigger motor, whatever. Such a light truck vs my SC SB 4x4? Put the transfer case in low, apply enough throttle to hold him there, and I could probably just wait for him to overheat his tranny and/or motor... for grins, I'd say "wait, I have to go fill up with gas, my V10 gets such bad mileage"

 

Long Island buddy

One of my ignorant chain up stories is a 86.5 v6 Nissan reg cab very light weight truck and my antagonist was Brad an E-5 Sergeant in my unit (I was his Plt SGT) who had a bad *** lifted Cj5 with monster mud tires. He had stuffed a GM SBv8 in it and it was a very cool jeep, you know: Up in the air, headers, cherry bomb pseudo mufflers, winch, lights, open cab... GIANT tires, super macho jeep.

He was talking a lot of smack at a company party and I was "feeling buzzed" enough to call some of his embellishments BS. He got red in the face and challenged me to come out in the lot and chain up. I asked if he had any rules and how much did he have to loose... we both coughed up 5 $20s to our Ist Sgt and test was like tug O war; Middle and two ends 100 feet apart. The winner had to drag other across line about 50 feet away from center.

My Nissan bone stock 2wd V6 3.0l 5spd and a rear gear in the 3s...Man was I FUBAR.

All I could think to do was air down the tires to near nothing and in the hanger use the hoist to put a Huey Tranny "in the can" in my bed. About 3100lbs placed as far forward against my rear window. We strutted a lot, talked smack a lot, and I started in on the crappyGM motor and how American workers couldn't design much less assemble a motor with half the capabilities of a Japanese V6. Brad is from Georgia and extremely "buy American" and got madder n hell with me.

I picked the side closest to the hanger I knew the Huey's blew off most of the sandy gravel there and he was out in the crumbly crappy asphalt...too drunk to think about that. I also convinced him that since I was only 2 wheel drive and it was not fair for him to use 4x4 mode or lo range. Dumb *** agreed claiming that his 4.something:1 rear gears, bad *** motor and super mud grips would drag me easy. I just sat on the brakes.. he did drag me back a few feet but eventually he had both the mud grips making the most terrible squalling and smoke and I just eased out the clutch and up on the brake a little and when I felt her grab I pulled him back to the center, he grabbed a gear instead of hitting the brakes and the other 45 feet was easier... I bought him a beer with my winnings.

Please don't do this to your beautiful V10s...just walk away

My son knowing this story chained up his cummins to an other idiot here in the county and the damage was over $5800 to the motor, trans, transfer case and drive shaft. I can't even call him a "dumb ***"...dang

Moral of the story..... never ever tell your children your idiot stories. The do not learn from your mistakes, they have to try to do the old man one better and justify it cuz the old man used to do it!

 

Correct me if I am missing something. I have a 03' V10 with the Banks Powerpack and SCMT. This truck is the strongest, smoothest, gruntiest truck I have ever owned. The only complaint for me is, I wished I had 4.30 or even 4.56 gears.

Here where I need help. I have three F-350's at work. Two are 1986's F-350's DRW dump bodies. Both have 460's. When empty they are marginal at best. You have to mash the pedal to the floor to get it going. When hauling a load of loam or gravel, well I wished I had a hole in the floor underneath the pedal to get more throttle out of it. These trucks are VERY WELL maintained and have low miles for thier age. One hase 65K and the other has 54K. I one truck we are on the 3rd tranny. I swear it is because the engine is such a dog that the tranny takes up the slack. The 3rd F-350 is a 2003 DRW V10. That thing really hauls. Can out pull the 460's without even trying.

So what am I missing. These two 460's are my only experiences with that engine. The V10 in my work truck is great. Of course it seems slower in that truck hauling around a heavy steel bed all the time compared to my F-250 which seem to go like a bat out of heck.

Some people LOVE thier 460's and love trashing its replacement, the V10.

????

 

The 460 is a great motor but must be set up properly to work hard and most of the time it's low rpm power is just not there. I bet they have the original intake stuff and the air cleaners are clogged hard. I also bet the plugs look like crap and are carboned up fierce.

The biggest problems I had with the push rod 460 was it was not a very broad prower band and made most all of it's stump pulling power up in the 4000RPM and higher range. The cams to tune it for low rpm grunt were hard to find cuz most folks wanted to make a race motor out of her.

I loved every thing about my 460s except their hunger... never got more then 10mpg, usualy around 8 and when she hauled me and the Lance slide in to my hunt areas in Olpympic Peninsula Washington... she liked me to put high test to kill the ping and she drank it at 3-5 mpg in the mountains on logging cut roads.

I do not miss those thirsty girls and I had a few of them, one a PI version...now that was a STOUT motor!

 

Yup, the 460, in the 80's and especially '90's was so hobbled by emissions it wasn't even funny. If you "do up" a 460 with better cam, a bump in compression and a Holley 4bbl, they run quite nicely. Or so I hear I'm an FE man myself...

However, here's the fun part, and while a 460 is a bit bigger than my 390: My '01 V10 puts out more torque (approx 420ft/lbs NET from my 390FE at somewhere over 4000RPM, vs. 425ft/lbs GROSS from the V10 at 3250? That's about 100ft/lbs difference overall, giving 80ft/lbs as the difference for "accessories"). So, even a hot-rodded high comp motor with headers and just muffers, that overbored, tops out at near 400 cubes... while the V10 is 415 cubes and does everything the 390 does plus a LOT.

Fred, great story!

I know it's stupid, but I'd love to "chain up" to a 1/2 ton just for the fun of it - maybe a Lightning? I'd rather loose than do anything to blow the engine or drivetrain... another advantage of the fluid-filled baloon in my tranny...

I'm always riding around with about 500 lbs of crap in the back, so ...

 

The stock 460 is a joke. The motor has 500hp/500ft-lbs potential on pump gas, but ford never made it like that. Choked down by exhaust, heads and intake it was not the beast that it could be. Same goes for the old 454.

I've never driven a v10, but the 8.1 hauls butt in a 2500 4x4 ext cab. It will pass up anything but a gas station.

 

Thats the problem with a big block V8 ,when you step on the gas you here a sucking sound its coming from your wallet. When Dodge built their V10 they built it like a big block V8 and it gave the V10 a bad name as a gas hog. My v10s give me better mileage and performance than any of my previous trucks.

My first 460 was in a 81 F250 SC 4.10 gears I bought the truck high mileage and rebuilt it. I board it, installed a long duration RV cam, high rise manifold, 4 barrel carb and a monster exhaust ( all the smog control just fell off for some reason). Dam what a animal empty and pulling on the flat in the mountains like Fred stated narrow power band, even with a built C6 and a RV stall converter it sill sucked in the mountains. Its also the only truck that I got down to 4 miles to the gallon.

Second and last 460 was a 91 F250 SC 4.10 gears, I bought it in 96 with 3600 miles on the clock (long story). Stock it was a dog pulling, after installing a Banks power pack it was better but still in the mountains it was worse than my 81. Better mileage but not pulling.

My DRW V10 would out pull both ether one of my 460 motors and gets better mileage doing it pulling a bigger load. 460 average 5 to 7.5, V10 8 to 9,. The only problem I have with my present V10 is the last time we went to the mountains my wife told my that our truck was doing a great job as we were going over a 11300 ft pass with 5ver and boat she could see no reason to get a new one . I told her the 3V with the 5 speed tranny would do a lot better .

Denny

We will see in 07 who wins

 

Gee, I guess no one reads what I write Good, that way no one realizes I swapped "gross" and "net"...

 

Well, I was hoping you guys would help out the guy who posted that thread. Maybe I should link this thread to the one he started in the 460 forum.

All this talk about the 460s HP coming at high-RPMs has me a bit confused though. My '97 F250 w/460, 4.10 gears & auto has awsome low-RPM power but falls on it's face about 4000 RPMs. It's an absolute stump-pulling monster in 4-LO. I've drug the neighbor's Excursion AND heavy home-made welding trailer (both at the same time) out of our bottomless clay goo without so much as even a strain.

Still, I wouldn't chose the 460 over the V10.

 

Nor would I, NoMo. I had a '77 F350 DRW that I bought in '78 from a wrecker service. The guy removed the auto tranny and installed a 4sp stick, which was just what I was looking for. I removed the bed installed a welding bed, Lincoln 200SA welder, 4 toolboxes, oxy/acetylene rig, hoosier pole, and then loaded it down with pipe jacks. It never did much better than 10mpg, but it would not deviate from that much pulling my 24 TT. Thing is when I needed the power it was there - even in higher RPMs. I remember pulling a 4wd manlift out of the mud and muck when Chevy's 454 with the same setup wouldn't budge it. I paid a price by stripping the axle bolts and warping a driveline, but I was young then and pride had the upper hand.

My biggest mistake was when I "upgraded" to a '79 model auto tranny. There must have been tons of de-torquing that went into that particular engine - it wouldn't pull near as good and got a lot worse MPG.

 

I bought an 88 F250 4X4 with a 460 and I think that was the first year for EFI in Canada . It had a little more power than the 81 400 it replaced and burned twice the fuel.

My 05 V10 has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more power than that poor old 460 ever did.
The V10 bashers in the old big block forum know nothing if they believe a stock 460 would outpull a stock V10. With my camper on , I fly by the big block boys on 8% grades like they were sitting still .