1,000 hp FE???
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1,000 hp FE???
well i was in the engine shop where i took my 390 block to get machined, and met a guy named dave cheney, from tacoma, wa. he was telling me that he is building a 552ci FE that is going to be pushing 1,000 hp on a 250 shot of the juice. with 15:1 forged arias pistons, a custom ground isky cam with over .700" lift using hi-riser heads, and an all roller valvetrain. the guy sounded like he knew what he was talking about, but this combo sounded bogus to me. i told dave to join up on this site, but havent seen him on here yet. anybody have any information as to if a combination like this is do-able, and what components it would take? if something like this is possible, im not going to waste my money building a 428.
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Well I own a couple 395" FE's and a 428CJ, and a a couple D1VE block 460's..So at 552" he has a bored and stroked 460....and dollar for dollar and cube for cube...A stroked 460 is the best bang for the buck... 9.5 to 1 CR....Very little head work..the Exhaust on the 460's always need to be opened up... a decent Hydraulic Cam,Comp cams comes to mind, a after market intake, a set of headers, and a 850 to 950 holley HP carb will get you 550 to 600 hp and about 550lbs of tq..all at about 5500rpm....
But with that said...you can get an easy 500hp from a .030" 460...making a 466.. There a damn good motor.....
Russ
But with that said...you can get an easy 500hp from a .030" 460...making a 466.. There a damn good motor.....
Russ
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I think the guy is a "bench" (mostly mouth) engine builder and hasn't a clue as to what will or won't work and what and what can't be done. I've heard of higher the 15:1 comp, but they were all alcohol race motors and .700 lift is do-able but not really necessary in most applications. I/ve heard of the 446 FE but don't know about a 552, but as Russ says a 460 would not only be cheaper but a better way to go.
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Originally Posted by Huntersbo
I did not know you could run 15;1 compression with .700" lift...
I thought the max at 9.5;1 was .520"
I thought the max at 9.5;1 was .520"
HUH????? You thought??? I know guys on the street that are running 11 to 1 on street gas..and guys at the track running 14 to 15 to 1 on fuel and up from there on Alcohol... and guys running .700+ lift on the street and .800+ to low .900" at the track...LOL... Oh well I guess ya have to learn sometime....LOL..
And G, can back me upon this..there are a few 1000+hp FE's out there.. I do know of one thats twin turboed and has 1070hp..and its not 15 to 1 cr.. Its a Bores stroked all aluminum 427 with twin Hair Dryers on it... And Jays 69 Mach ! just won the HotRod Mag. Drag Strip tour Street Car Shoot out.. with an average ET..of 10.68 @ 128mph... Driving it from Strip to strip around the country..another Victory For Ford!! Beat Some Dodge and Chevy ***!!
Russ
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Originally Posted by dnooner16
15:1 forged arias pistons, a custom ground isky cam
Since you are not convinced the FE is for you, I think you should donate that 428 crank to my truck. LOL
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Even with a Genisis Block out 4.400" bore and a 4.500" stroke thats still only 547 cubes... Maybe that block will handle a slightly Bigger bore? I really dont know..That kind of money is out of my League!! But with those kinds of Cubes..It wouldnt be any problem getting 750hp with the right parts..and if 250 shot of Jolly Juice was included..there's your 1000Hp.. Just a guess..But I think I'am pretty close!! Out of *****s and giggle's.....Well Lets see..a 4.420" bore and a 4.500" stroke and woola!! 552 cubes!! Could be?
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4.420 by 4.500 is a .030 460 with 4.5 stroker crank also.
huntersbo, theres no correlation chart bewteen compression and lift.
You could have a 18:1 motor with .350 lift or a 8.0 motor with .750 lift.
o/t side note, a 4.500 stroke in a FE makes for one short comp height piston.
huntersbo, theres no correlation chart bewteen compression and lift.
You could have a 18:1 motor with .350 lift or a 8.0 motor with .750 lift.
o/t side note, a 4.500 stroke in a FE makes for one short comp height piston.
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From: Smith Mountain Lake, VA
Originally Posted by fordeverpower
4.420 by 4.500 is a .030 460 with 4.5 stroker crank also.
huntersbo, theres no correlation chart bewteen compression and lift.
You could have a 18:1 motor with .350 lift or a 8.0 motor with .750 lift.
o/t side note, a 4.500 stroke in a FE makes for one short comp height piston.
huntersbo, theres no correlation chart bewteen compression and lift.
You could have a 18:1 motor with .350 lift or a 8.0 motor with .750 lift.
o/t side note, a 4.500 stroke in a FE makes for one short comp height piston.
Russ
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Thats' right Russ!!! Jay Brown also has a supercharged 511 Shelby block FE with 1030HP stuffed in his Shelby convertable. One of Jay's prizes for drag week was a set of BB Chevy heads....LOL. Maybe next year the Hot Rod guys will have some FE parts for him LOL!!!! With all the chatter of many new cammer parts in the works I see some pretty cool stuff down the road. I expect this is still a few years off but should be interesting to see. Speaking of cammers how about those NOS cammer heads on ebay. Still in the Holman Moody boxes. Five figures....easy! LOL, G.
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D-Noon, yeah, you can build a 1000 hp FE. Bring your wallet, or, rather your checkbook and credit card, and make sure the limit is high enough. You'll need a Genesis or Pond or Shelby block, A billet crank, and the best ported heads money can buy. But, sure, you can do it. But do you really need it ? Just by using much more common and cheaper parts, you can build 500hp easily. and 500hp is enought to break U joints, snap axles, and twist the input shaft off from a tranny. Don't ask how I know. DF, @ his Dad's house
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thats just the thing, i didnt know any FE block could handle a 4.420" bore whether or not it was a G-block. im a die hard FE or nothing fan, and even though im young (20 yrs old) my dad and both grandfathers were the same way, and so when this dave guy started running his mouth about 552 inches from an FE i rose the b.s. flag. but hell, with the technology they have today with hair dryers, s-chargers, and squeeze, you could probly get just about anything over 1000 hp.
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Originally Posted by RapidRuss
Matt, sorry to pop your bubble a .030" over 460 is like mine...4.392" So 4.420 would be a .060" over 460...
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