It'd be a heck of a lot easier.
V10 Conversion for 2005 F150
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V10 Conversion for 2005 F150
Hey guys, I have a 2005 F150 4x2 Reg cab/Longbed. I have the 4.6L motor and while I am considering supercharging it, I almost feel like I should take things to a higher and definitely more unique level. I'm looking into the possibility of putting a 3V V10 into my F150. I'm wondering what it would take to accomplish this. I'm sure the frame is plenty tough, but I would have to replace the springs. I know I would need a Torqshift as well. I'm just floating this idea for the time being, to see if there are any fit issues that can't be resolved. There seems to be plenty of room under that hood though. Tell me what you think.
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Anything is possible. Feasibility is a whole different issue though. I'm just looking at the price tag of all this for basically the entire drive train, associated electronics, exhaust, accessories, etc. Then all the labor, which will tally up to almost as much as the parts. It's not like dropping an old school crate engine into a car.
Personally I have to agree with Monsta. I think it would be a major PITA and would just get the 250. But, it's your truck and to each his own. I know I've spent more on my truck than many would consider reasonable.
Personally I have to agree with Monsta. I think it would be a major PITA and would just get the 250. But, it's your truck and to each his own. I know I've spent more on my truck than many would consider reasonable.
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monsta is correct. to much work .plus 1 major problem. it's to long for the 150 engine bay. trade up to a 06 , 250 while you still can on a tried and true style before the new buggie 07 comes out early next year.
blower on a 4.6 yes it works a helps. but that a good peice of down payment aid to a new 06 v10 .
blower on a 4.6 yes it works a helps. but that a good peice of down payment aid to a new 06 v10 .
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Given enough time & money, almost anything is possible. If you have enough of those two items, then you'll end up with a very unique truck that will be difficult to sell for what you'll have invested in it.
You're looking at having to cut out the firewall & floor to get engine & tranny to fit. Then, once bolted in, you'll have to get all of the electronics working. Probably going to need a new, stronger rear axle assembly too. Gotta keep that fire-breathing monster cooled down- that'll mean a custom hood to clear the bigger radiator. I'm sure there are a lot more "little" things that will pop up, so be ready for those.
Finally, once you get it all running, you won't be able to drive it because it won't pass any emissions inspection in the US.
You're looking at having to cut out the firewall & floor to get engine & tranny to fit. Then, once bolted in, you'll have to get all of the electronics working. Probably going to need a new, stronger rear axle assembly too. Gotta keep that fire-breathing monster cooled down- that'll mean a custom hood to clear the bigger radiator. I'm sure there are a lot more "little" things that will pop up, so be ready for those.
Finally, once you get it all running, you won't be able to drive it because it won't pass any emissions inspection in the US.
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Many states don't have any emissions testing. Having recently left Michigan I can tell you that there is no inspection for ANYTHING there. As long as you pay your Michigan license plate fees you can drive it on the roads anywhere in the US!
I agree with everything else you said about the difficulty in making this swap. I think it will be a lot harder than it first appears.
I agree with everything else you said about the difficulty in making this swap. I think it will be a lot harder than it first appears.
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Well, 2 points of debate here;
1 is the cost/complexity of such an undertaking. Surely it will outweigh the cost of just buying another truck.
But, #2 is the uniqueness of having such a rig. What value is there in having 'one of one' ? I see lots of hot rods go through auctions that have 6 figures IN them that sell for $50K.
#3 is the personal satisfaction gained by doing a job like this. How many of us hunt or fish ? Last time I thought about it my salmon on the barbq cost me about $100 a pound, but doggone it, I caught it. Not everyone can catch fish, not everyone can put a 3V 6.8L V10 in an F150.
I want to see it done. There's a reason I want to drop the susp on my E350 ext 15 pass, run true duals out just under the outside corners of the rear bumpers, flame it, chop 4" out of the top in the front, 6" out of the top in the rear and mount 18" wheels/tires. The reason is I haven't seen one like that.
1 is the cost/complexity of such an undertaking. Surely it will outweigh the cost of just buying another truck.
But, #2 is the uniqueness of having such a rig. What value is there in having 'one of one' ? I see lots of hot rods go through auctions that have 6 figures IN them that sell for $50K.
#3 is the personal satisfaction gained by doing a job like this. How many of us hunt or fish ? Last time I thought about it my salmon on the barbq cost me about $100 a pound, but doggone it, I caught it. Not everyone can catch fish, not everyone can put a 3V 6.8L V10 in an F150.
I want to see it done. There's a reason I want to drop the susp on my E350 ext 15 pass, run true duals out just under the outside corners of the rear bumpers, flame it, chop 4" out of the top in the front, 6" out of the top in the rear and mount 18" wheels/tires. The reason is I haven't seen one like that.
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I’m pretty up to date on the custom car and truck seine and I haven’t seen the Ford V10 swapped into very many things. That would lead me to think it doesn’t lend its self well to custom applications. If you have the means and the will, knock your self out, but I don’t think this is something for the faint of heart. For an easier swap I would look at a DOHC 4.6. Physically fitting one in your truck would be fairly simple and there is a lot more aftermarket support for it. Remember you still get the fun of working out the engine controls. Complete engine harness donors are hard to find, and probably too hard to adapt, and you won’t be able to use the original stuff with out a lot of fabrication and extensive tuning. Truthfully, I think your mind and heart is in the right place. And even though I don’t know you and don’t know your level of mechanical expertise, I would bet this is something over your head. This isn’t the good old days when you could pull the 302 out of your F100 and drop in a 460 with an adapter kit, or an arc welder and a BFH. But, like I said, I don’t know you. If you have the ability to do the V10, please do it. And post pictures, and updates. I think that it would be a very cool swap and it would give my day dreams hope for the V10 Mustang II swap I’m going to do after I win the lottery.
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I have advised on these swap issues before (mostly the voice of reason against) and I too would love to see the V10 stuffed into a bunch of different rides. I lost the link but there is a company out there that had the stuff needed to adapt the V10 from electronic to non computer controlled with a carb.
I am cheating and going to put a de-electronic version in a 23 T-bucket. I think if I hurry up in the next few years I will be able to claim first V10 'bucket, at least I have not seen of found another yet.
In the search I did come across a Jag V12 powered T-bucket that was seriously cool! Talk about Chromed headers!
Hint.... there are LOTs of used 23 Ts out there all over the country for $4,500-$25,000 Hint # 2 I have seen 6 V10 motors over the last 3 years sell for under $2000 with low hours on them.
I am cheating and going to put a de-electronic version in a 23 T-bucket. I think if I hurry up in the next few years I will be able to claim first V10 'bucket, at least I have not seen of found another yet.
In the search I did come across a Jag V12 powered T-bucket that was seriously cool! Talk about Chromed headers!
Hint.... there are LOTs of used 23 Ts out there all over the country for $4,500-$25,000 Hint # 2 I have seen 6 V10 motors over the last 3 years sell for under $2000 with low hours on them.
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I saw a Viper V10 in one. I’ve also seen a Honda 4, a few Buick turbos, and a very rare (at least in the states) Toyoda Hemi V8. T's are cool but there hasn't been much that hasn't been done to them. Although I haven't seen a Ford V10 yet so you could be on to something. I’d like to see it when it was done. I heard a few years back that Windsor-Fox was trying to do a V10 in a Ranchero, and I read an article in one of the Mustang mags on one in a 96 or 97. So there has been some research done. First Sergeant; good luck with your T. And please, if you find that web site for a carb conversation pass it on.
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Originally Posted by Fredvon4
I have advised on these swap issues before (mostly the voice of reason against) and I too would love to see the V10 stuffed into a bunch of different rides. I lost the link but there is a company out there that had the stuff needed to adapt the V10 from electronic to non computer controlled with a carb.
I am cheating and going to put a de-electronic version in a 23 T-bucket. I think if I hurry up in the next few years I will be able to claim first V10 'bucket, at least I have not seen of found another yet.
In the search I did come across a Jag V12 powered T-bucket that was seriously cool! Talk about Chromed headers!
Hint.... there are LOTs of used 23 Ts out there all over the country for $4,500-$25,000 Hint # 2 I have seen 6 V10 motors over the last 3 years sell for under $2000 with low hours on them.
I am cheating and going to put a de-electronic version in a 23 T-bucket. I think if I hurry up in the next few years I will be able to claim first V10 'bucket, at least I have not seen of found another yet.
In the search I did come across a Jag V12 powered T-bucket that was seriously cool! Talk about Chromed headers!
Hint.... there are LOTs of used 23 Ts out there all over the country for $4,500-$25,000 Hint # 2 I have seen 6 V10 motors over the last 3 years sell for under $2000 with low hours on them.
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http://karkraft.com fred is this the link you wanted. i know they make a carb and electronic kit for the 4.6, 5.4 .
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Thanks Charlie thats the place. I am adept enough to not car that they specialize in V8... I do not need their turn key $7500 down graded package.
I think all I need are two of the intake manifolds and I think MSD has a electronic ignition that is adaptable. The rest is my special carb tuning tricks. Hell in a 2100LB 'Bucket I don't need max HP the stock torque of a 2v V10 will propel it faster then the front end will handle any way.
Now where did my Ac Cobra plans get off to? (big grin) everybody out there does realize the 3v V10 has much better specs then the old 428 don't ya?
Hey Ken, how fast will a 362 HP 455 ft Lbs motor push a 2400lb car with 27" tires and 0.71 OD spinning 3.55:1 gears?
Yes Virginia, Fred is going to use the V10 in something very light some day. But in the 7800lb truck I am just too happy with it's stock performance to ever mess around with it.
I think all I need are two of the intake manifolds and I think MSD has a electronic ignition that is adaptable. The rest is my special carb tuning tricks. Hell in a 2100LB 'Bucket I don't need max HP the stock torque of a 2v V10 will propel it faster then the front end will handle any way.
Now where did my Ac Cobra plans get off to? (big grin) everybody out there does realize the 3v V10 has much better specs then the old 428 don't ya?
Hey Ken, how fast will a 362 HP 455 ft Lbs motor push a 2400lb car with 27" tires and 0.71 OD spinning 3.55:1 gears?
Yes Virginia, Fred is going to use the V10 in something very light some day. But in the 7800lb truck I am just too happy with it's stock performance to ever mess around with it.
Last edited by Fredvon4; Sep 22, 2005 at 07:07 PM.
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It was not a V10 but I helped in a lift, 4x4 conversion, and monster motor in a 67 Falcon Ranchero. It turned out real good. (I was the motor guy and the 427 was a very tight fit had to go with hydraulic clutch cuz we botched the fire wall too badly for the mechanical linkage to work right as I recall) In fact as I type this I remember that an Original Hells Angel did the header welding for us (very scary fellow) (no it was not Sonny Barger) His name was Tiny and he stood 6'7 and an easy 420lbs lots of gut but his arms were bigger around then my waist. Me being 6' 167lbs soaking wet and all.
Same team of us grafted a 70 Fleet-wood long bad *** caddy onto a Blazer frame and running gear very cool 4x4 caddy and made us a mint selling it to a pimp in Oakland Calif.
I miss that crew of motor head kids... luckily it kept me just busy enough to NOT go to jail in Oakland (of course not all the parts always came from completely legit sources (grin))
Same team of us grafted a 70 Fleet-wood long bad *** caddy onto a Blazer frame and running gear very cool 4x4 caddy and made us a mint selling it to a pimp in Oakland Calif.
I miss that crew of motor head kids... luckily it kept me just busy enough to NOT go to jail in Oakland (of course not all the parts always came from completely legit sources (grin))