3 Speeds
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Laughing Gas
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3 Speeds
Who knows which 3 speeds are the same as a 1960? I have a truck I am thinking I will buy, but it needs a 3 speed, and I don't know which ones will interchange.
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A Ford, Model 303, top loader three speed would be a good tough tranny for your 1960. They are fully synchronnized. I have an excellent one I am trying to find a home for.
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Originally Posted by 46yblock
A Ford, Model 303, top loader three speed would be a good tough tranny for your 1960. They are fully synchronnized. I have an excellent one I am trying to find a home for.
Does it fit right in or wuld need a bell housing change?? The truck I am looking at has a stock 223
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The input shaft on the Studebaker may be different; I picked up an o/d 3-speed that could come off a Stude. I sort of made it fit by getting a different clutch disk that matched the splines on the input shaft, and by making a sleeve to go over the input shaft housing (whatever that piece is called) so the throwout bearing would fit.
Don't overlook the 4-speed; it needs a different bellhousing, but it's a very tough transmission, and will give you a stump-puller 1st gear. There's a Clark 251VO 5-speed with overdrive that's supposed to fit the 4speed bellhousing; Clark may have a newer model that is equivalent. It'd probably be smarter to get an adapter from Trans-Dapt and use a T5 or ZF.
Don't overlook the 4-speed; it needs a different bellhousing, but it's a very tough transmission, and will give you a stump-puller 1st gear. There's a Clark 251VO 5-speed with overdrive that's supposed to fit the 4speed bellhousing; Clark may have a newer model that is equivalent. It'd probably be smarter to get an adapter from Trans-Dapt and use a T5 or ZF.
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A lot depends or what you intend to use the truck for. If you plan to pull stumps, pull a trailer, or heavy loads I would stick with a truck tranny. If you are like a lot of us and you plan on light hauling, and your engine produces no more than 250 ft. pounds of torque. You could probably go with a T-5 5-speed out of an S-10, or a C-4/C-6 automatic. I just personally dislike the truck 4 speeds for everyday driving in traffic, I would rather have a car 5 speed manual, or an automatic. But that's just my preference
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Thanks for the recommendations, I have considered the 4 and 5 speed options, but I really like the Column shift. Mainly because most people can't drive em. The 3 speed OD's like they used in the 50's are most attractive to me because it give me the 3 on a tree with a OD gear to drive on the high way. As for the stump puller gears I don't really need them I have a 96 Powerstroke if I need that. I am getting an old truck just to tool around town in. It will most likely never haul much at all.
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I looked into the S10 5 speed geasr box but how do they adapt to a 223. There was a listing for a company called Flat O, cool stuff but he had nothing to make a 5S10 5 speed fit behind a 223. Anyone have experience with doing this ??
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I'm not sure that the 3-speed really got changed much for all those years. I'm not sure if you want the bell housing with the tranny, (or if there's a column shift that's not setup that way) but that's the setup on my 77f100.
I love that tranny, mainly for the same reason that you do. Most of the people I know were born after they stopped making 3 speeds, so they kinda look at me weird when I give 'em a ride.
Personally I would call the local salvage lot If I were you. They might have one for ya, I'm sure that now because I spouted off potentially bad adaptability info that somebody will jump to correct me.
I love that tranny, mainly for the same reason that you do. Most of the people I know were born after they stopped making 3 speeds, so they kinda look at me weird when I give 'em a ride.
Personally I would call the local salvage lot If I were you. They might have one for ya, I'm sure that now because I spouted off potentially bad adaptability info that somebody will jump to correct me.
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The Ford 303 synchronized 3 speed was built for cars, and motors at least up to 390 inch displacement. They were tough like the 4 speed top loaders. This tranny was taken directly off of a 292, which was in a 1964 F-100. It was a direct bolt in, no adaptor. Not sure, but think the bell housing on the 223 is like a 292. If so it would work. The 303 were used in column shifts, as well as floor shifts. This one has floor shift linkage, along with rebuilder's marking of 1998. I will send you a private message in a little bit.
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nah kooper, to the best of my knowedge they were still alive and kickin in cars up till the early sixties, then went on in trucks until right around when they stopped making the line mine is in.
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The shifting lever mounts to linkage attached to the transmission's shifter bungs(dont know their correct name) which come out of the transmission side. Top loader refers to the method of accessing transmission gears. The shift lever does not go directly down into the top of the transmission as in earlier models, like my 46. Tranny was manufactured in 1963.