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For you Gentlemen who are having frustrations over your trucks, your opinions are valid but I may be able to make you feel a little better. Please excuse the inconvenience, the improvements are permanent. Setting aside the fact that you have to go back to the dealer to correct product concerns in the first place, doing so should reduce or eliminate the likelihood that you will have to in the future and under much more undesirable circumstances. If you want to experience real frustration try having your engine abruptly shut down on the highway at 65MPH or your transmission lock-up while on vacation towing a 5th!
The recalls and programs on the 2004/2005 6.0L trucks will correct some existing problems and eliminate others from happening. Ford is doing this voluntarily (with a little pressure ) which should tell you that they stand behind their product. If your transmission hasn't failed, your engine has not stalled and not restarted, be thankful. Taking the time to bring your truck in, hopefully at your convenience, will prove to be the wise choice in the long run. All of my customers seem to be quite happy with their trucks after having the recalls performed. Those running the new calibrations also seem to be pleased... at least I have not gotten any negative feedback.
Thank you Mr. Ford_Doctor. You are much nicer than me. Guess that is why you are the Doctor in the house.
I did do research before making my purchase. I did hours of research right here on this site which was given to me by someone who works at Ford and drives a 7.3L. I even spent an hour talking with a guy I work with who had an 03 with the 6.0. He had had no issues at all with his truck, and based on this site the 03's seemed to be the "bad eggs".
To be quite honest I had ordered a Dodge, but Dodge canceled my order after 12 weeks. (I was told 6 to 8 for delivery) I had to call the customer service number checking on my order to find out it was canceled. To top it off the dealer did nothing to even try and get me my truck. YES I made numerous calls to many different people other than the dealer. NO help what so ever. This would have been Dodge number 4 and Cummins #3 (the first Cummins was the first model year Dodge built), all previous trucks ran flawless with little more than routine oil changes. The only recall on them was something about the seat belt.
If a manufacture is doing so well they cancel an order at will, they no longer need my business, so I bought the Ford. I took the chance on the Ford.
I would not consider myself a brand buyer. I will purchase what I feel is best, not focusing on cost. Past experience had shown me that paying a few dollars more up front will save me greif in the long run. Case in point is I get the Ford employee discount and get nothing on Chryslers.
sorry, i upset you 3/4er. i just love diesel trucks. i like to read other forums,etc when i get a chance. there are pros and cons to every make. i like to see what is going on. there are quite a few ford and chevy owners that frequent the dodge sites, as well. matter of fact- we have a member that just put a 05 cummins engine into his 99 ford f250.. the truck looks sweet!!!!!!!
i believe the reason why they have so many problems with the 6.0's is because they released the engines much too soon. due to emissions standards becoming more and more strict, the 7.3 was going to be illegal in the second half of 2003/and up. so they pushed this engine out much too soon. this engine made the emissions requirements, therefore ford wouldnt have to pay a hefty fine. i believe they are using us owners as guinea pigs, and finding/fixing problems as they arise. some have been problem free, and thats good. however, mine hasnt. it has been to the shop over 16 times, and has had two engine replacements. i belive if ford could have waited until 2004.5 or 2005 to release the engine, they wouldnt have as many if any problems with the engines 3-4 years down the road (how long it is been out so far). just my opinion.
If you believe that your prolly just fooling yourself GM and Dodge have not had near the problems with their motors and drivetrains. Theres been some issues of course and I'll agree the truck itself is more then likely the best in class. The motor has been plagued with 'notoriuos' issues, reflashes, recalls, updates etc. since the get-go. Hopefully they'll get it right with the new motor...
HOW ABOUT THE OVER HEATING PROBLEM ON THE GM. THERES A THEAD ON THE GM SITE, ABOUT SUEING GM BECAUSE MANY OF THE NEW DURA MAX OVERHEAT, ALL STOCK, LIGHT LOAD, AND HAVE TO BACK OUT OF IT ON HILLS TO KEEP FOR OVERHEATING. YES ALL THE TRUCKS HAVE ISSUES.
I think unless there is someone out there that happens to work in the Service Engineering or Plant Vehicle Team at Ford, GM and Dodge, and has the data to compare the vehicles -and if so could they share?
I don't think any of us are able to make blanket statements regarding reliability, just our own personal experiences, be whatever they are.
To coin a commonly used phrase: Without data you are just another person with an opinion.
Exactly… ...what I believe to be fact Tim...... document it with facts or don't type it ,because you start stuff by doing this.
Then knock off your passive aggressive style,
Tim why should I engage you in debate when most folks already know how you feel and how I feel. The very fact that you even retorted to my post seems to be the reason that some users seem to be getting more and more upset with the group. I did say it was my opinion a.k.a - IMO.
If this is not a site of opinions please let me know but is you need facts here are a few.
Ford 6.0 -
1) Never got pilot injection working
2) Although I can't state with utmost certainty - the 6.0 seems to have the worst fuel milage of the big 3.
3) Numerous recalls on both motor and transmission
4) Ford motor company has pretty much left 03 builds out to dry while GM extended warranty to 200k for injectors - which yes there was a problem.
5) Motor redesign after 3 years - Hmmmm
6) Main seal problem
7) injector problems
8) Made the term 'reflash' a main-stream word.
Prolly a couple others but we've debated this all before so whats the point...
I've seen website for company that does these conversions, not all Ford owners have the brains they were born with, he could've bought a new 06 for the price of a conversion!
Originally Posted by dodgeny
sorry, i upset you 3/4er. i just love diesel trucks. i like to read other forums,etc when i get a chance. there are pros and cons to every make. i like to see what is going on. there are quite a few ford and chevy owners that frequent the dodge sites, as well. matter of fact- we have a member that just put a 05 cummins engine into his 99 ford f250.. the truck looks sweet!!!!!!!
Ford 6.0 -
1) Never got pilot injection working This one I can agree with
2) Although I can't state with utmost certainty - the 6.0 seems to have the worst fuel milage of the big 3. Seems the guys at my work don't get any better then I do, o-by the way two Doges and one Chevy
3) Numerous recalls on both motor and transmission Show me NUMEROUS trany recalls, I am still trying to find the total number on the engine
4) Ford motor company has pretty much left 03 builds out to dry while GM extended warranty to 200k for injectors - which yes there was a problem. This I will agree with two out of six ..not bad!
5) Motor redesign after 3 years - Hmmmm No motor is the same boltl on stuff is revised
6) Main seal problem Everyone taken in here has been fixed....
7) injector problems What injector problems
8) Made the term 'reflash' a main-stream word. That they did
Prolly a couple of dozen about Chevy and Doge that I can type about, the difference between you and I I do not call out the other makes here in a Ford site.
I beleive I stated it was my opinion.
So you think if I go to a Dodge site register and start making "my opinion" comments about how unreliable they are...how poorly designed they are ….I will get any flak form it...what is your thinking on that one