I hate to think of myself as a bad person but Monday night, while sitting on the back porch doing some R and R, I heard my neighbor pull in his drive with his bike trailer on. Just as he was backing up to park the trailer, I heard the old and not so dear sound of a spark plug blowing out! I walked across the yard just as he was getting out to unhook his trailer. Right away he said, I know what you went thru, what ya think we should do? So, armed with a fresh re-boot of the repair at our local dealership and the cost of things in general, and my sour but from the lack of faceing up to a problem that Ford knows all about and yet does nothing! We came up with our plan, After taking a look, we noted it was the 3ed plug back on the pass. side as normal, got us a wrench and threaded that bad boy back in, stayed pretty good too! Took the same test ride that our local dealership takes, rechecked our work and to make a long story shorter, He is now the proud owner of an 06 V-10 and the same people that suprised me with my repair have something waiting for them in about a 100 miles or so! I don't like to think of myself as a bad person but this is something they had no problem doing to me,,,,,So!!!!!! I guess they will get over it, maybe??? LOL!

 

You traded the vehicle in with a known defect? Regardless of who's fault it is, he could well be liable for fraud (he signed for the fact that there were no hidden faults in the vehicle when he traded it in/sold it) and you could easily be an accessory. On such a vehicle, that'll put it well into the felony category on the standard value ladder. You could also be held liable in a civil tort.

Not to mention the ethical implications. Imagine being the poor "EDIT" that buys the trade-in from the dealership, only to suffer a plug blowout. Maybe you'll get really lucky, and the person who buys the vehicle will suffer the plug blowing out while in the middle of some interstate freeway. If that person is involved in a wreck and is injured or killed, you and your friend could be held criminally and civilly liable.

I wouldn't label you a bad person, as that's far too vague. Ethically deficient (for doing what you did) and ignorant (for bragging about it in a public forum), definitely.

 

Na you aint bad. The dealer will mechanically inspect the truck throughout before they put it up for sale. If they can't find it then its their faults. For all they know you didn't know that there was a plug problem?? Its not your fault if anything happens let them deal with it.

 

Huh, yeah... I'd like to see the next owner prove that one in court. You know the rule: Caveat Emptor (buyer beware). And besides, if they put the plug back in and it worked, then didn't they consider it repaired? Of course. Wasn't the engine running on all 8 (or 10) at the time of sale? Sure. Did he offer the dealer a guaranty/warranty? Nope. The sale is AS-IS, like most used vehicles the dealer sells. Is he a bad person? No, just a person trying to avoid future maintenance expenses.

 

it is a felony but dieselpower is right about dealer doing the inspection process prior to re-sale.


it does suck for the next guy if it gets by the inspection. but then again the next person could also buy the extended warrenty and maybe get a new engine out of it... it is a toss up

 

It did run fine, Yes it was running on all 10 cyl. when it was traded in! Infact it ran for over 125 miles without missing a beat! For all I or anyone else knows it IS FIXED! I will not allow myself to feel one bit bad as Ford does not! You could make an argument for the safety thing except it does not make the truck stop running, it's a little loud but it still runs and would make it to a safe destination with no problem. Maybe, just maybe, Ford should address this problem, You Think?

 

I saw here where top dollar is being paid for trade in's and then they ship them to Mexico for resale at higher prices....
Since I have to stand in line for an average of 30 minutes at Wally World on the weekends (my off time) because of the vast numbers of Mexican shoppers, I don't think it's a bad trade off! BTW, I like Mexican food and am not prejudice against them.

 

Besides the dealer made plenty selling the new vehicle and probably is doing OK on the trade in too. It is rare that you will really get the edge on the dealer.

As far as trading in a defective vehicle, it is a bit tacky, but I am good to go with it since it appears this is a common defect and the dealer and MFG seem to have no problem sticking it to you. Besides, a reputable dealer will do a thorough inspection and probably change the plugs, and should know this is a problem to look for. So they should catch it and repair it at their cost. They build in cost for repairs, and like gambling, most of the time the dealer wins, once in awhile they eat it, but not much.

I am not so sure that all states have a full disclosure law. I bet you we will see a bunch of great deals on anybrand car/truck in the next few months, I bet few of them will disclose that they got to go swimming with Katrina.

I bet they helicoil it and sell it wholesale, which will still be more than they paid your buddy in all likelihood.

Even if they don't catch it and it blows on the next owner, a reputable dealer will take care of it. A scum bag dealer will just kepp on screwing their customers.

Feels Good, but a bit Dirty ;^)

Jim Henderson

 

I bet they don't even touch it and probably had it sold, wholesale, before they even inked the new sales contract.

 

Just stoped in today to have a look around, The truck is gone, wholesale the night he traded it in! Talked to one of the Tecs, he said they don't even look at the stuff they sell that way and could have cared less how it ran or even if it did or not! I don't now, or will I feel one bit bad about the deal he made and neither do they! After all, Ford does just that to someone every day!

 

Moral, ethical, right, wrong, indifferent...passing judgment on a situation like you described should remain in the soul of the perpetrators. In one way did you your friend a great service and I'm sure he is grateful. It is fixable...by someone.

I mean, hey...you guys weren't shooting at helicopters...right?

There will soon be worse vehicles on the market than what your buddy just traded.

 

I say you did nothing more than Ford did in the first place. If it such a safety issue where is the Fed mandated recall?? So, if you sell your 2001 F250 do you let the dealer know that the cruise control switch might burn the truck to ground before or after you sign the papers? Knowing that all the brake fluid could leak out leaving the new buyer with out brakes or holding a road side Truck-B-Q??
I say 2001 because mine did leak. Stripping the paint from the frame. Now the frame could rust away. What did my Blue Oval Super Dealer do? Pointed to the parts counter and said you can buy an update switch there.
This is a long a dangerous road. I feel that ultimately the dealer/buyer should research what they are buying and/or reselling.
My 2 cents.

 

We used to have a fleet of 9 SDs, and 1 Explorer,I was treated no better then anyone else when I had a problem. Perhaps that is why we now have a fleet of 8 SD,s and 1 Dodge/Cummins! The big Dodge has a little over 6K on it and is running fine, Getting a Banks Kit installed next week, we will see how that does! I have been True Blue for about 20 Trucks, But to build and sell a product that you know to be bad and then do nothing to fix it is not what I call being True to anything but the bottom line! I have told my foreman to take a good look at the big Dodge, because they will be seeing more of them, about 1 or 2 a year I would bet! And yet, I am still very sad about it!