6.0l PSD Oil Thread
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"Everyone keeps saying they always run Rotella"
That should have been your first clue.
While I hate everything Royal Dutch stands for, their oil is the most popular. While popularity does not make a specific brand any better than that of another, it is much more available. Couple that with the fact that they stay on top of the API ratings game fairly quick, makes it a no brainer choice in my book. I have much better things to do with my time than to spend it looking for a specific brand of oil to change to.
Don't take this the wrong way, I hold grudges against several of the majors. Having worked for all of them, it is my right to do so, and I exercise it everso cautiously here on this board, as not to cause trouble. I refuse to support the ones I hate, with the exception of a proven product. I can say in all fairness, all of the ones I hate, have been given their share of opportunities to change my mind.
Ryan
That should have been your first clue.
While I hate everything Royal Dutch stands for, their oil is the most popular. While popularity does not make a specific brand any better than that of another, it is much more available. Couple that with the fact that they stay on top of the API ratings game fairly quick, makes it a no brainer choice in my book. I have much better things to do with my time than to spend it looking for a specific brand of oil to change to.
Don't take this the wrong way, I hold grudges against several of the majors. Having worked for all of them, it is my right to do so, and I exercise it everso cautiously here on this board, as not to cause trouble. I refuse to support the ones I hate, with the exception of a proven product. I can say in all fairness, all of the ones I hate, have been given their share of opportunities to change my mind.
Ryan
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Originally Posted by mrxlh
"Everyone keeps saying they always run Rotella"
That should have been your first clue.
While I hate everything Royal Dutch stands for, their oil is the most popular. While popularity does not make a specific brand any better than that of another, it is much more available. Couple that with the fact that they stay on top of the API ratings game fairly quick, makes it a no brainer choice in my book. I have much better things to do with my time than to spend it looking for a specific brand of oil to change to.
Don't take this the wrong way, I hold grudges against several of the majors. Having worked for all of them, it is my right to do so, and I exercise it everso cautiously here on this board, as not to cause trouble. I refuse to support the ones I hate, with the exception of a proven product. I can say in all fairness, all of the ones I hate, have been given their share of opportunities to change my mind.
Ryan
That should have been your first clue.
While I hate everything Royal Dutch stands for, their oil is the most popular. While popularity does not make a specific brand any better than that of another, it is much more available. Couple that with the fact that they stay on top of the API ratings game fairly quick, makes it a no brainer choice in my book. I have much better things to do with my time than to spend it looking for a specific brand of oil to change to.
Don't take this the wrong way, I hold grudges against several of the majors. Having worked for all of them, it is my right to do so, and I exercise it everso cautiously here on this board, as not to cause trouble. I refuse to support the ones I hate, with the exception of a proven product. I can say in all fairness, all of the ones I hate, have been given their share of opportunities to change my mind.
Ryan
That was definitely my first clue, but like you said about popularity, it doesn't always mean it's best for me. More than likely I'll be going with Rotella. I hate Mobil oil, but I ran Mobil 1 in my 04 F250 5.4. I did it because I knew it was right for my truck. Now I need to decide whether or not I'll be going with synthetic Rotella or conventional for my 6.0... bah.
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Schaeffer 9000 has been turning in outstanding UOA in the 6.0L. I currenly have MC 15W-40 in my truck. Motorcraft makes excellent oil. I only use MC 5W-20 in my '03 Sable and 89 Honda. However, my next F-350 oil change, I'll think about Schaeffer 9000.
Has anyone else used it here?
Has anyone else used it here?
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The Mobil Delvac Super 1300 15w40 is an excellent choice IMO for the 6.0 PSD. I ran it for the first 15,000 miles in my 06 dually and did a lot of heavy towing in very hot summer temps. Please note: This is a conventional/dino oil (not a full synthetic) and the only diesel CI-4+ rated 15W40 oil sold by Mobil in the USA.
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Has anyone tried the amsoin 5w40 synth for temps ~ 10F to HOT?
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/deo.aspx
Just looked interesting, and being that I use amsoil in my racecar, would be
convienent for me to order when I order oil for it.
Thanks,
Jason
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/deo.aspx
Just looked interesting, and being that I use amsoil in my racecar, would be
convienent for me to order when I order oil for it.
Thanks,
Jason
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captkirk9195,
FYI "A" oil is a Four letter word around FTE. It can get a thread locked and a poster sent for a vacation in a hurry.
One thing you may want to note, the "A" oil is Not API certified.
http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseI...LicenseNo=0995
Find a good quality dino or synthetic that is API CI-4+ or CJ-4 rated in the appropriate weight for your operating conditions and use that.
Hope this helps
FYI "A" oil is a Four letter word around FTE. It can get a thread locked and a poster sent for a vacation in a hurry.
One thing you may want to note, the "A" oil is Not API certified.
http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseI...LicenseNo=0995
Find a good quality dino or synthetic that is API CI-4+ or CJ-4 rated in the appropriate weight for your operating conditions and use that.
Hope this helps
Last edited by blackhat620; Nov 14, 2006 at 01:05 AM.
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Originally Posted by captkirk9195
Has anyone tried the amsoin 5w40 synth for temps ~ 10F to HOT?
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/deo.aspx
Just looked interesting, and being that I use amsoil in my racecar, would be
convienent for me to order when I order oil for it.
Thanks,
Jason
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/deo.aspx
Just looked interesting, and being that I use amsoil in my racecar, would be
convienent for me to order when I order oil for it.
Thanks,
Jason
So for me... I can get 5W-40 diesel rated oil for less and know that I am getting a true API certified synthetic oil for my diesel motor... so why more and get equal.. or pay more and get less?
Keep in mind that your truck's owners manual states to use a specific oil spec.. and if your records show that you used an oil that only "claims" to meet it, and is not API listed and certifed.. then you may be at risk of warrenty denial... so for me... not worth the risk when other options are available to you.
Just my opinion only though... so it may work for you if your happy with it in your race car.
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Ack,
Not trying to start a fued. :P The race car (having a motorcycle motor and using motorcycle oil from amsoil) has drastically different requirements, as it doesn't need nearly the detergents when you change the oil every other weekend (or 500 miles) approximately.
I was only trying to save by shipping oil from them at the same time if it was suitible for the F-250. I didn't realize they had an API certification issue with their diesel oils.
What would be a good synthetic that meets all the recommendations of a 2003+ 6.0 PS?
(I normally would search, but Search is in limbo for server upgrade, and I've spent over 20 hrs reading Ford forums since Sat learning about PS diesels, the hard way :P)
I honestly didn't realize the Amsoil was missing important certs (at the glance I took at the link I thought it had all the normal certs).
Jason
Not trying to start a fued. :P The race car (having a motorcycle motor and using motorcycle oil from amsoil) has drastically different requirements, as it doesn't need nearly the detergents when you change the oil every other weekend (or 500 miles) approximately.
I was only trying to save by shipping oil from them at the same time if it was suitible for the F-250. I didn't realize they had an API certification issue with their diesel oils.
What would be a good synthetic that meets all the recommendations of a 2003+ 6.0 PS?
(I normally would search, but Search is in limbo for server upgrade, and I've spent over 20 hrs reading Ford forums since Sat learning about PS diesels, the hard way :P)
I honestly didn't realize the Amsoil was missing important certs (at the glance I took at the link I thought it had all the normal certs).
Jason
Last edited by captkirk9195; Nov 14, 2006 at 01:32 AM.
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Originally Posted by captkirk9195
Ack,
Not trying to start a fued. :P The race car (having a motorcycle motor and using motorcycle oil from amsoil) has drastically different requirements. I was only trying to save by shipping oil from them at the same time if it was suitible for the F-250.
What would be a good synthetic that meets all the recommendations of a 2003+ 6.0 PS?
(I normally would search, but Search is in limbo for server upgrade, and I've spent over 20 hrs reading Ford forums since Sat learning about PS diesels, the hard way :P)
I honestly didn't realize the Amsoil was missing important certs (at the glance I took at the link I thought it had all the normal certs).
Jason
Not trying to start a fued. :P The race car (having a motorcycle motor and using motorcycle oil from amsoil) has drastically different requirements. I was only trying to save by shipping oil from them at the same time if it was suitible for the F-250.
What would be a good synthetic that meets all the recommendations of a 2003+ 6.0 PS?
(I normally would search, but Search is in limbo for server upgrade, and I've spent over 20 hrs reading Ford forums since Sat learning about PS diesels, the hard way :P)
I honestly didn't realize the Amsoil was missing important certs (at the glance I took at the link I thought it had all the normal certs).
Jason
Shell Rotella 5W-40 Synthetic and Mobil 5W-40 Delvac 1 or Turbo Diesel Truck(same as Delvac 1, just different package) are API CI-4+ certified, and Delo 400 Synthetic 5W-40 is API CI-4 certified. I prefer the CI-4+ certified oil as it works better in motors containing and EGR system.
I know there are other manufactures make CI-4+ synthetics just haven't searched there sites.
You can also go over to Bob is the Oil Guy website and there is lots of reading on oils in general and a section dedicated to the 6.0 PSD
www.bobistheoilguy.com/
Hope this helps
Last edited by blackhat620; Nov 14, 2006 at 01:42 AM.
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Cool.
Thanks for the heads up. Like I said, the racecar has VASTLY different requirements than a diesel tow vehicle, Especially with a wet clutch, etc.
I actually used "A" in the racecar because the previous owner had broken it in and used that for 1/2 a season and had good luck with it. I got a full season and the motor is happy other than a HG issue (unrelated to the oil, damn air cooled motors). But that's another story. Next year we are going to a water cooled motor. :P
Again, hate to possibly rehash (wow I can't wait until the new server goes through for the moderators) Any real opinion/difference between the Shell Rotella 5W-40 Synthetic and Mobil 5W-40 Delvac 1?
I've heard of Rotella and Diesels for yrs. I use mobil-1 typically in my street cars. That or valvoline synthetic (in my about to be sold expedition)
This will be going into an (about to buy it tommorow) '03 6.0 F250 XLT with 30K on it
Thanks again,
Jason
Thanks for the heads up. Like I said, the racecar has VASTLY different requirements than a diesel tow vehicle, Especially with a wet clutch, etc.
I actually used "A" in the racecar because the previous owner had broken it in and used that for 1/2 a season and had good luck with it. I got a full season and the motor is happy other than a HG issue (unrelated to the oil, damn air cooled motors). But that's another story. Next year we are going to a water cooled motor. :P
Again, hate to possibly rehash (wow I can't wait until the new server goes through for the moderators) Any real opinion/difference between the Shell Rotella 5W-40 Synthetic and Mobil 5W-40 Delvac 1?
I've heard of Rotella and Diesels for yrs. I use mobil-1 typically in my street cars. That or valvoline synthetic (in my about to be sold expedition)
This will be going into an (about to buy it tommorow) '03 6.0 F250 XLT with 30K on it
Thanks again,
Jason
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captkirk9195,
Well race cars are a totally different animal as we are not worried about warranty or emissions requirements. Also the race motors tend to be rebuilt more often.
Difference between the Rotella T Syntehic and Mobil Delvac 1 is the base stock.
Rotella T Synthetic uses a highly refined Group III mineral oil, that gives basically the same results as a Group IV PAO.
Mobil Delvac 1 uses a Group IV PAO base stock, which is a true synthetic (according to the purists) since the base stock is synthesized in a lab, making all molecules a little more uniform across the board.
Delvac costs almost twice the price of Rotella T Synthetic, so you have to decide if the extra money for a PAO base stock is worth it to you. To me a Group III synthetic will do everything i need a synthetic for.
Personally i run 15W-40 dino in my 6.0 PSD as i don't need a synthetic for my climate.
Hope this helps
Well race cars are a totally different animal as we are not worried about warranty or emissions requirements. Also the race motors tend to be rebuilt more often.
Difference between the Rotella T Syntehic and Mobil Delvac 1 is the base stock.
Rotella T Synthetic uses a highly refined Group III mineral oil, that gives basically the same results as a Group IV PAO.
Mobil Delvac 1 uses a Group IV PAO base stock, which is a true synthetic (according to the purists) since the base stock is synthesized in a lab, making all molecules a little more uniform across the board.
Delvac costs almost twice the price of Rotella T Synthetic, so you have to decide if the extra money for a PAO base stock is worth it to you. To me a Group III synthetic will do everything i need a synthetic for.
Personally i run 15W-40 dino in my 6.0 PSD as i don't need a synthetic for my climate.
Hope this helps
Last edited by blackhat620; Nov 14, 2006 at 02:15 AM.
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Ah, so if I do as planned, and run the synth for 5K miles (Rotella in this case) it should be plenty/overkill. Note, I only put 5-7K miles a year on a truck, so that is roughly every 9-12 months in my case. Though I've seen some recommendations for every 6 months regardless of miles?
Thanks again,
Jason
Thanks again,
Jason
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captkirk9195,
Yep synthetic will probably be overkill if you don't live in harsh climates. As far as oil changes go, you need to change every 5K miles or at least every six months because short trips or letting the truck sit for long periods of time is hard on the oil. The oil gets contaminated with corrosive substances even sitting around. So change oil at least every 6 months.
Hope this helps
Yep synthetic will probably be overkill if you don't live in harsh climates. As far as oil changes go, you need to change every 5K miles or at least every six months because short trips or letting the truck sit for long periods of time is hard on the oil. The oil gets contaminated with corrosive substances even sitting around. So change oil at least every 6 months.
Hope this helps