U.S.S. Iowa
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I have spent a lot of time climbing around on the Massachusetts. You can go all the way down into the engine room. You can go to the base of the turrets. It is just a fun place to explore. It has been open to visitors for a long time. My first visit, I was 12. I am now 46, and I went there last year. I would love to explore an Iowa class battleship. Big Mo was in Hawaii when my wife and I vacation there, but it wasnt open yet. 
Maybe next time.
Maybe next time.
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Originally Posted by kingfish51
Here is a sight that lists the ships of the current and old navy.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.
Didn't John Wayne acquire a small destr0yer, or somethung like that and had it berth in or near Campbell River, Vancouver Island, BC. Or was that just rumors back then?
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sierraben, been on "Moe" 3 years ago in Hawaii, that ship is a thing of art, made me tear up also a sub which is the sister to the Pompinito in S.F. Didn't get a chance to go aboard "Moe" when she was in S.F. as there was a huge crowd and Diane didn't want it in S.F., stupid Diane F. Been on the Hornet in Alameda, she's small. Worked on power boxes for the Enterprise in Alameda, dad and I went aboard Abraham Lincoln on a private tour that took 4 hours. She was the last carrier in Alameda. 14 years ago went on a 10 hour cruise on the Jeramia O'Brian, that was cool as got to stand on top of the triple expansion steam engine under way, the Conferdrate Airforce strafed us. The best thing was the last airshow at Alameda when it closed I was fire watch on a Corsair hanging on a wing, when you worked on 2800 Pratts nothing else compares unless it's a 1710 or 1650. FE's seem like model motors to me.
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Is it also true that the Iowa's are still in some kind of reserve status (which is why the interiors seem to be closed)? Is "Moe's" interior closed?
Also dont let the 18" guns of the Yamoto fool you. They had fairly high dispersion, and at longer ranges had very comparable ballistics to the 16" of the Iowa (the NC and South Dakota classes had lower velocity 16"/45, Iowa had 16"/50). Short ranges, say 18,000 yards or less was a different story thats where the 18" made a difference.
The other factor to look at is that the Iowa's had excellent fire control even in WWII. After their reactivation in the 80's the improved Iowa was regarded as the best shooting battleship of all time.
An Iowa class with "wartime emergency load" weighed in at 59,000 tons still short of the Yamoto by at least 11,000 and quite a bit of that is armor.
Another interesting site that details naval weapons is http://www.navweaps.com/ ...
I think I want to see the "Moe" more than just about anything. Luckily it happens to be in Hawaii that makes it easier to convince the wife.
Also dont let the 18" guns of the Yamoto fool you. They had fairly high dispersion, and at longer ranges had very comparable ballistics to the 16" of the Iowa (the NC and South Dakota classes had lower velocity 16"/45, Iowa had 16"/50). Short ranges, say 18,000 yards or less was a different story thats where the 18" made a difference.
The other factor to look at is that the Iowa's had excellent fire control even in WWII. After their reactivation in the 80's the improved Iowa was regarded as the best shooting battleship of all time.
An Iowa class with "wartime emergency load" weighed in at 59,000 tons still short of the Yamoto by at least 11,000 and quite a bit of that is armor.
Another interesting site that details naval weapons is http://www.navweaps.com/ ...
I think I want to see the "Moe" more than just about anything. Luckily it happens to be in Hawaii that makes it easier to convince the wife.
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Good OLD Diane Frenkenstien. Too bad it wasn't her instead of G.M. 
Last time I saw anything from the Confederate Airforce was in the second to last Mojave Air Races in 1974(?), which featured a P-38 Lightning, my favorite WWII airplane.
You still got MY DeLorean in a safe place?
You ever been to the Pacific Coast Dream Machines event in Half Moon Bay?
It's suppose to be alot of fun. Check out the site; all of you guys.
http://www.miramarevents.com/dreammachines/
I'm gonna try and check it out next year.
Last time I saw anything from the Confederate Airforce was in the second to last Mojave Air Races in 1974(?), which featured a P-38 Lightning, my favorite WWII airplane.
You still got MY DeLorean in a safe place?
You ever been to the Pacific Coast Dream Machines event in Half Moon Bay?
It's suppose to be alot of fun. Check out the site; all of you guys.
http://www.miramarevents.com/dreammachines/
I'm gonna try and check it out next year.
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serriaben, my dad during ww II was lead mechanic for P-38's and P-51's, Mustangs, had Allisons not Rolls motors as he was in China and India and they had early 51's. They didn't trust a German in Germany so he went over the "Alcan Highway Hump". No matter were in the world he got his hands on a motorcycle to ride. Yes DMC is in a safe place.
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Originally Posted by captchas
the berth the jersey has is the perm. home. it's right across from the phili navy base where she was built. man would that boat rock when we fired the 16's . 2000 lb shell and 2000 lb's of powder. bingo 20 miles inland, check out her web site
If penns Landing was remodeled a bit , that would be the perfect place for the NJ, walking distance from the Olympia. A great first hand look at how in les than 100 years how the technology changed. A great way to look at history.
Ref the sixteens, theres nothing like putting large caliber bullets down range, smelling the cordite and feeling the ground beneth you shake as the bullet leaves the tube. And thats just a puny 105mm.
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Originally Posted by kingfish51
Here is a sight that lists the ships of the current and old navy.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.
Neither saw combat again.
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http://virginiachapter.ford-trucks.net/MontanaClass.jpg
Hey guys, check out that picture. That is an artists conception of what the Montana Class would have looked like. That ship would have put a hurtin on anybody in it's way.
This topic makes me want to go exploring some ships, to bad we can't all take a big field trip lol. Here are a couple other really awesome ships to check out.
HMS Victory in England is the oldest ship (world wide) still in commission, but is not in water. She was commissioned in 1778. She is a 104 gun ship and is world famous from the Battle of Trafalgar. HMS Victory is sitting in a permanent dry dock in Portsmouth, England.
http://www.answers.com/HMS%20Victory
USS Constitution is the oldest ship (world wide) in commission that is in the water. Old Iron Sides is a frigate, not a ship of the line, but she was so heavily constructed that she gave a lot of those "run of the line" ships a run for their money. During the battle with the HMS Guerriere, cannon ***** seemed to just bounce off her hull giving her that wonderful "iron sides" nickname.
http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-constitution?method=6
I love this topic
- Chris
Hey guys, check out that picture. That is an artists conception of what the Montana Class would have looked like. That ship would have put a hurtin on anybody in it's way.
This topic makes me want to go exploring some ships, to bad we can't all take a big field trip lol. Here are a couple other really awesome ships to check out.
HMS Victory in England is the oldest ship (world wide) still in commission, but is not in water. She was commissioned in 1778. She is a 104 gun ship and is world famous from the Battle of Trafalgar. HMS Victory is sitting in a permanent dry dock in Portsmouth, England.
http://www.answers.com/HMS%20Victory
USS Constitution is the oldest ship (world wide) in commission that is in the water. Old Iron Sides is a frigate, not a ship of the line, but she was so heavily constructed that she gave a lot of those "run of the line" ships a run for their money. During the battle with the HMS Guerriere, cannon ***** seemed to just bounce off her hull giving her that wonderful "iron sides" nickname.
http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-constitution?method=6
I love this topic
- Chris
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[QUOTE=Trigger]Is it also true that the Iowa's are still in some kind of reserve status (which is why the interiors seem to be closed)? Is "Moe's" interior closed?
At this point none are in reserve status that I know of, especially since they were turned over to the individual states etc. Some of the technology is on these ships is still sensitive enough as to not alow the public to see it.
It was thought that the Iowa was to be kept on a semipermanent reserve status being that it was the last to be put up as a museum. But do to cost and so called modern tecknology, it would take too long to upgrade and restore for modern combat purposes, it and I hate to say it, is like bringing a civil war parret gun into modern combat, effective in some situations but not enough to justify the cost and manpower.
At this point none are in reserve status that I know of, especially since they were turned over to the individual states etc. Some of the technology is on these ships is still sensitive enough as to not alow the public to see it.
It was thought that the Iowa was to be kept on a semipermanent reserve status being that it was the last to be put up as a museum. But do to cost and so called modern tecknology, it would take too long to upgrade and restore for modern combat purposes, it and I hate to say it, is like bringing a civil war parret gun into modern combat, effective in some situations but not enough to justify the cost and manpower.
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Originally Posted by Tomcat7742
http://virginiachapter.ford-trucks.net/MontanaClass.jpg
Hey guys, check out that picture. That is an artists conception of what the Montana Class would have looked like. That ship would have put a hurtin on anybody in it's way.
This topic makes me want to go exploring some ships, to bad we can't all take a big field trip lol. Here are a couple other really awesome ships to check out.
HMS Victory in England is the oldest ship (world wide) still in commission, but is not in water. She was commissioned in 1778. She is a 104 gun ship and is world famous from the Battle of Trafalgar. HMS Victory is sitting in a permanent dry dock in Portsmouth, England.
http://www.answers.com/HMS%20Victory
USS Constitution is the oldest ship (world wide) in commission that is in the water. Old Iron Sides is a frigate, not a ship of the line, but she was so heavily constructed that she gave a lot of those "run of the line" ships a run for their money. During the battle with the HMS Guerriere, cannon ***** seemed to just bounce off her hull giving her that wonderful "iron sides" nickname.
http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-constitution?method=6
I love this topic
- Chris
Hey guys, check out that picture. That is an artists conception of what the Montana Class would have looked like. That ship would have put a hurtin on anybody in it's way.
This topic makes me want to go exploring some ships, to bad we can't all take a big field trip lol. Here are a couple other really awesome ships to check out.
HMS Victory in England is the oldest ship (world wide) still in commission, but is not in water. She was commissioned in 1778. She is a 104 gun ship and is world famous from the Battle of Trafalgar. HMS Victory is sitting in a permanent dry dock in Portsmouth, England.
http://www.answers.com/HMS%20Victory
USS Constitution is the oldest ship (world wide) in commission that is in the water. Old Iron Sides is a frigate, not a ship of the line, but she was so heavily constructed that she gave a lot of those "run of the line" ships a run for their money. During the battle with the HMS Guerriere, cannon ***** seemed to just bounce off her hull giving her that wonderful "iron sides" nickname.
http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-constitution?method=6
I love this topic
- Chris
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Originally Posted by Trigger
Is it also true that the Iowa's are still in some kind of reserve status (which is why the interiors seem to be closed)?
New Jersey BB-62 was donated by the Navy as a museum and is no longer in reserve.
Missouri BB-63 was donated by the Navy as a museum and is no longer in reserve.
Wisconsin BB-64 serves as a museum in Norfolk, VA but is in reserve status.
So 2 out of the 4 are currently in reserve status. I know that the Navy and the City of Norfolk are working out a deal to take Wisconsin out of reserve status. That would allow the museum that she resides at to open her to the public.
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http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/name.htm
Heres the United States Navy Ship Registry, you can look up the ships based on their names and get their current status.
- Chris
Heres the United States Navy Ship Registry, you can look up the ships based on their names and get their current status.
- Chris
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Originally Posted by sierraben
Didn't John Wayne acquire a small destr0yer, or somethung like that and had it berth in or near Campbell River, Vancouver Island, BC. Or was that just rumors back then?
Here is a little info on the "Wild Goose".
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...1137025&EDATE=
You can even rent it.
Here is a site that lists naval museums by state. I used to have a web site that was better than this for the list, have to find it again.
http://www.bb62museum.org/usnavmus.html
Edit - Also the magazine "Sea Classics" publishes a list of naval museums once a year. Might want to keep an eye out for it.
As for ships having different different tonnage, etc, this was common due to changes that came along during construction.
Last edited by kingfish51; Aug 26, 2005 at 07:32 AM.