U.S.S. Iowa
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From: FT POLK LA
Originally Posted by spikedog
The USS North Carolina is berthed permanently in Wilmington, N.C. It's been there since 1966, and they keep opening up more and more of it to the public. Last year we could go through the targeting areas and the magazines. It's a sister ship to the Iowa and Big Mo.
The engine room looks better than the US Navy ships I was stationed on in the '70's and '80's.
The engine room looks better than the US Navy ships I was stationed on in the '70's and '80's.
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Sierraben - I haven't read all the posts before putting in my 2 cents.
This outright disgusted me when I saw it a few days ago. It gives me yet another reason to despise San Francisco even more (no offense to you) As if the awful downtown smell, homeless problem and twice weekly protests weren't enough, now I have to be reminded of their "proud anti-war" heritage every time I'm forced to go there. I wonder how that "heritage" would change if SF were to suffer some sort of attack...
BTW - the Hornet in Alameda is really cool. They used to have high school graduations on her deck, not sure if they still do. There was also a TV special on Discovery or History once about haunted warships and the Hornet is supposed tobe one of them. It's basically a floating museum now.
This outright disgusted me when I saw it a few days ago. It gives me yet another reason to despise San Francisco even more (no offense to you) As if the awful downtown smell, homeless problem and twice weekly protests weren't enough, now I have to be reminded of their "proud anti-war" heritage every time I'm forced to go there. I wonder how that "heritage" would change if SF were to suffer some sort of attack...
BTW - the Hornet in Alameda is really cool. They used to have high school graduations on her deck, not sure if they still do. There was also a TV special on Discovery or History once about haunted warships and the Hornet is supposed tobe one of them. It's basically a floating museum now.
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Now I hope you guys understand my rant and rage at "them".
"They" need to get a grip on reality. Not to turn my city into a 1960s Berkeley.
And as I stated in my thread, it would be generating revenue.
Which we all need.
And also some pride, which is slowing evaporating by inflated egos these fab 12 have.
I wonder if extradition laws in..........never mind.
Hmmmm, neutron bomb.
"They" need to get a grip on reality. Not to turn my city into a 1960s Berkeley.
And as I stated in my thread, it would be generating revenue.
Which we all need.
And also some pride, which is slowing evaporating by inflated egos these fab 12 have.
I wonder if extradition laws in..........never mind.
Hmmmm, neutron bomb.
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From: Wyoming
I heard the Navy had a choice whether to upgrade the fire control systems on the Iowa from the old 'manual' system to modern computer control. Evidently the accuracy was about the same, so they kept the old systems. They knew that decommissioning wasn't too far off anyway. It took about 40 sailors to aim the 16 inchers.
The North Carolina is still set up like it was in WWII - still has the 5 inchers and lots of AA guns. I don't have much to add to the SF controversy. I was stationed in Alameda for a few months, but there wasn't much to protest about in 1983.
The North Carolina is still set up like it was in WWII - still has the 5 inchers and lots of AA guns. I don't have much to add to the SF controversy. I was stationed in Alameda for a few months, but there wasn't much to protest about in 1983.
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MRKnight, I hear you.
It's a good city, if you know where to go and not to go.
Where I live, it is peaceful and somewhat quiet.
I'm a few blocks from Golden Gate Park and the beaches.
Bacically on the outskirts of the city.
I should post some pics in my gallery one of these days.
The rest of the city, I could care less.
Our problem here is much more deep rooted than can be explained.
I can't anyway because of FTE guide lines.
But back on topic, I bet the USS Hornet must be an awesome site.
Hey, we're having our annual Fleetweek in October.
That'll be cool. And the Blue Angels will be back, doing their percision flying.
They were absent last year, thanks to "them".
But they're back. I wonder if I could borrow one of those F/A 18s and..........
never mind.
It's a good city, if you know where to go and not to go.
Where I live, it is peaceful and somewhat quiet.
I'm a few blocks from Golden Gate Park and the beaches.
Bacically on the outskirts of the city.
I should post some pics in my gallery one of these days.
The rest of the city, I could care less.
Our problem here is much more deep rooted than can be explained.
I can't anyway because of FTE guide lines.
But back on topic, I bet the USS Hornet must be an awesome site.
Hey, we're having our annual Fleetweek in October.
That'll be cool. And the Blue Angels will be back, doing their percision flying.
They were absent last year, thanks to "them".
But they're back. I wonder if I could borrow one of those F/A 18s and..........
never mind.
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If they had it their way, Fleetweek would be banished.
I'm not sure how long Fleetweek has been coming here, but I know the Blue Angels came here in 1979.
I remember vividly.
"What in the heck is that jet flying so low? That's so cool."
They were actually flying inbetween the downtown highrises; I mean below the tops of the buildings and inbetween them.
Also flying below the Golden Gate Bridge.
All that stopped.
I can understand due to safety reasons.
Yep, I can't wait for Fleetweek and the Blue Angels.
Also cool to watch fly around is an old restored Mig-17, and other jets I don't recognize.
I'm not sure how long Fleetweek has been coming here, but I know the Blue Angels came here in 1979.
I remember vividly.
"What in the heck is that jet flying so low? That's so cool."
They were actually flying inbetween the downtown highrises; I mean below the tops of the buildings and inbetween them.
Also flying below the Golden Gate Bridge.
All that stopped.
I can understand due to safety reasons.
Yep, I can't wait for Fleetweek and the Blue Angels.
Also cool to watch fly around is an old restored Mig-17, and other jets I don't recognize.
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From: Heart of Dixie
We have the U.S.S Alabama which was a South Dakota class. The U.S.S Massachusetts is also still around. I can't imagine what a major naval engagement would sound like. Big guns ranging from 12" to 16", 8" cruiser guns, and 5" dual-purpose guns all firing at the same time. Not to mention the sound of the impacts and resulting explosions. Read about the battle of Savo Island and the battle of the Surigao Straits. The splashes made by the 16" AP shells would often tower above the ship that it missed.
http://www.ussalabama.com/
http://www.battleshipcove.org/
http://www.ussalabama.com/
http://www.battleshipcove.org/
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Is the Iowa the last of the Iowa class to find a home? I know the New Jersey is ouside Philly, Wisconson in Norfolk, and Missouri in Hawaii are these permanent?
I have visited a few battleships and I would have to say they are amazing. Carriers may be bigger and technically more deadly, but nothing beats loooking at a 16" shell that weighs 2700#. Or standing in a conning tower encased in 17 inches of hardened steel. For me there is much more to it than "war" I would think even an "anti war" person could get something out of it. The engines, early electronics, about the biggest museum you could go to. Anyway I hope she finds a home, and brings prosperity to that city. SF has quite a few wacko's that would probably protest in front of it anyway.
PS if you have google earth see how many battleships you can find, I've found:
Massachusetts
New Jersey
Wisconsin
Alabama
I think the North Carolina too but its very cloudy.
I have visited a few battleships and I would have to say they are amazing. Carriers may be bigger and technically more deadly, but nothing beats loooking at a 16" shell that weighs 2700#. Or standing in a conning tower encased in 17 inches of hardened steel. For me there is much more to it than "war" I would think even an "anti war" person could get something out of it. The engines, early electronics, about the biggest museum you could go to. Anyway I hope she finds a home, and brings prosperity to that city. SF has quite a few wacko's that would probably protest in front of it anyway.
PS if you have google earth see how many battleships you can find, I've found:
Massachusetts
New Jersey
Wisconsin
Alabama
I think the North Carolina too but its very cloudy.
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people some have their brains where i can't say. look where they put the jersey. in camden on the delaware river . any body in jersey knows thats a bad area.. and i'd love to go back and see her again as i severed on her in 68-9. but not untill the areas cleaned up. the jersey should be in the hudson where she can truely be seen. they did the same with the "sub". ling. shes in hackensack nj in the river rotting away in the mud.
these are ships of pride but yet they get treated like trash.
these are ships of pride but yet they get treated like trash.
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The New Jersey still doesnt have a permanent home the last I checked , its been a while, its been moored there several times.
The Iowa is the last of this class to find a home,First in Last out.
As for the guns during WWI the average was 14" for Battleships, during WWII the standard was 16" but Germany and Japan used 18". Japan also had the largest battlewagon ever built in size, armor, armament and speed. It was destroyed in 45 by US Carrier planes. I forgot its name, I dont thenk it was the Yamoto.
Here is a site that lists all the US Battleships ever commisioned. It also has pictures of these ships.
Some facinating info
Enjoy!
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../bb-list1.html
The Iowa is the last of this class to find a home,First in Last out.
As for the guns during WWI the average was 14" for Battleships, during WWII the standard was 16" but Germany and Japan used 18". Japan also had the largest battlewagon ever built in size, armor, armament and speed. It was destroyed in 45 by US Carrier planes. I forgot its name, I dont thenk it was the Yamoto.
Here is a site that lists all the US Battleships ever commisioned. It also has pictures of these ships.
Some facinating info
Enjoy!
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../bb-list1.html
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Trigger, Hey, wackos are everywhere.
They just happen to be here. Must be a strong wacko magnet.
Anyone know how to de-magnetize a wacko magnet?
If and when the Iowa does berth at Stockton, my tourist money (what I can scrounge up) is going there.
Take that, S.F. Supes.
They just happen to be here. Must be a strong wacko magnet.
Anyone know how to de-magnetize a wacko magnet?
If and when the Iowa does berth at Stockton, my tourist money (what I can scrounge up) is going there.
Take that, S.F. Supes.
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the berth the jersey has is the perm. home. it's right across from the phili navy base where she was built. man would that boat rock when we fired the 16's . 2000 lb shell and 2000 lb's of powder. bingo 20 miles inland, check out her web site
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Here is a sight that lists the ships of the current and old navy.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...hip/index.html
sierraben, there were actually 2 of the same class, the Musashi and the Yamato. Both with 18" guns.
In the US Navy, there were even larger BBs planned than the Iowa class. These were the Montana class. Instead of 9 16" guns, these were to have 12 16" guns. They started to build them and then cancelled them when they finally realized that the days of the battleship except for shore bombardment were over.