03EBExpy,

Hey man just thought I'd let ya know that there's no "g" in Cummins.

Oh and BigF-350, you are definitely correct. The Cummins is ONLY available in the F-650 and F-750. Not the 250, 350, 450, or 550.

 

The reasone inlines are in tractor trucks is because they are more efficient.

 

Who wouldnt take the CAT option over the CTD option anyday? I know your trying to voice your opinion, but I have seen little evidence the Cummins is far superior in every way. I can't argue for the 6L, but I can can argue for the 7.3L. I'd put a 7.3L against ANY generation of the Cummins engine in the dodge P/U. Not performance wise on the newer Cummins engines, but reliability, durability, and engine life. Thats just my opinion. Take it as you wish.

EDIT: Please don't spell it Cummings. Drives me nuts as well.

 

Well this thread should be titled Ford truck vs Dodge truck. Remember your buying a truck just not an engine. If you ever had a superduty an then go to a Dodge truck youll see right away how the Ford blows the Dodge away. Cummins or no Cummins Dodge has an engine not a truck. Im amazed by how flimsy these Dodge trucks are. If you used the total life off the cummins youd have spend huge repair bills to keep the the rest off the truck going. Do I need to say more. No Dodges in my future regardless off Cummins or not.

 

Maybe be true but that is not the only reason or the primary reason. The biggest reason is cost. Big rigs are for making money. A V8 that size would cost much more to build and would also not fit the envolpe to begin with. Add on top of that big rig motors are rebuilt in the truck, they don't pull the motor. Down time is money.

 

150Ford, you continue to amaze me with your uneducated, and ignorant comments towards other makes. Dodge, and GM are not considered competition for nothing. You go on and on about how the Ford is hands down the better truck, but I havn't seen anything from you to back that up with.

You say the Dodge is flimsy, and all they have is an engine. That staement is not only laughable, but the argument is wafer thin at best. I still havn't seen anything from you that shows how the "Ford blows the Dodge away" Yet you continue to say it. And have been for months. Its getting repetitive and irratating. Any 12 year old can say state that. Its complete brand bias and narrowminded trash.

Have you ever owned a Dodge truck? If so, enlighten us on your experience with it. I know this is pretty complex stuff, but bare with me if you can.

"If you used the total life of teh Cummins you would have to spend huge repair bills to keep the rest of the truck going"

Complete speculation. If you don't mind me asking, what do you base that on?

I don't see any reason for anyone on these boards to take statements like these seriously. And you give us no reason to. I sit here and laugh to myself when I read some of this stuff. In the end, I take it for what it is - a grain of salt.

The Dodge can go head to head with the Ford and Chevy. They have their equal number of pros and cons. No truck is substancially better than another all around like you ay the Ford is. And the sooner you realize that the better. There are numerouse good comparisons in this forum on all the trucks, and their engines. Read and learn my friend.

Sorry for the rant. Time to get back on topic. Cummins VS Ford.


Best as always.

 

Actually, engine configuration has nothing to do with torque. An I-6 doesent make more torque because it's inline. It has to do with how the engine is set up. It just so happens that inlines are set up for hauling most often. But an equal displacement v-8 is capable of the same torque.

 

Save your breath he's not gonna change his mind.

Cummins is a good motor. IMHO the only thing holding them back right now is mating a reliable automatic to the motor. I think you'll see their marketshare really jump then.

 

ive always loved the fords, but when it comes to diesel i had to go to a dodge to get the cummins, i own 5 fords and a cummins, (dont like to say i own a dodge so we will just call it a cummins) although it does have a ford air freshner haning from the mirror and ford floor mats, steering wheel cover, and mud flaps, thats the closest i could get for now.

 

Hey musclecarfan, how bout lightening up a bit? 150Ford is a Ford lover. Guess what?...This forum is for Ford lovers! The Ford vs competition forum is primarily meant as a place for Ford ENTHUSIASTS to discuss how well other brands compare with Ford in different regards. It's not so much a place which has been set aside within a Ford forum for those who hate Ford to come and rant about it or to bash FORD ENTHUSIASTS who express their disatisfaction with other brands.

150Ford can be a bit unforgiving regarding Dodge trucks. It's just the way he is. Your no newbie here, yet you rant as if your just finding this out for the first time. 150Ford partakes in many discussions outside of this particular forum - I have yet to see a post from you on this website - apart from in this forum...

I personally like Dodge trucks very much. In my opinion, the 03-04 Ford trucks are equal with the Dodge trucks in most regards, and a bit better in others. The 05+ Super Duty's completely outclass the Dodge Ram in EVERY regard - except the diesel engines, in which case you have a draw in many respects and can make a case for either engine in other respects.

Argue your case all you want, but don't bash the man for speaking his mind. There are plenty of Dodge forums around you know...

 

Please remember guys/gals:
The purpose of this forum is to make intelligent comparisons of other makes against Ford. They don't have to be in favor of Ford but they must be reasonable in any matter or direction.

There is no need for this to get personal...
Lets get this back on track.

BigF350

 

How about Saveing His fingers ?

 

Musclecar_Fan is simply asking for reasons why 150ford feels like dodges are junk and fords are so much better, that’s all. It seems like his every post (in this forum anyway) is simply brand bashing (which is not tolerated, I thought). In my opinion, bashing is simply making statements to down grade another brand with no real proof. Where's the proof?

What Musclecar_Fan is simply trying to do is give 150ford a chance to follow the rules by making his case (based on facts) that dodges are junk and fords are that much better.

What gets me is if you go to the PSD 6.0 forum, the issues they are having is simply overwhelming. Lost of power, smoke, poor fuel economy, stalling, not starting in cold weather, idle problems, and engines blowing up. Come on..... funny how threads that discuss the issues with ford trucks die quickly around hear.

Talk about speaking ones mind, I would like to hear from 150ford his opinion on all of the PSD issues. Fact is, the fords are not that much better as evident in the PSD 6.0 forum. Go check it out for yourself.

Fact is the cummins is that much better than the PSD. It might not be able to win a stock drag race, but who cares. The cummins is a great diesel no doubt about it. This is based on the CTD history that is extremely good, the power potential this engine has, reliability, fuel economy and just flat out has potential to put out extremely amount of reliable power as demonstrated in a lot of video's I have seen on the web. Until ford can build a comparable engine, they will never be that much better than anyone else.

So far we have seen two seperate post with a cummins dragging a PSD in a pull off. Show us some videos with the PSD pulling something.

 

Guys let's do our best to keep this nice...I know you ALL can....

 

International has been putting the 6.9 7.3 IDI 7.3E and 6.0 into their ligher medium duty trucks for years. You may figure the Cummins is good but its classed as a throw away engine once a cylinder is ruined the block is shot unless you sleeve it. The 5.9 Cummins isn't good for a medium duty truck you may think it is but its not.

Would I want a Cummins in a F-450 or F-550 no you use these trucks for P+D work so you want to beable to tromp on the throttle and it moves.

The Cummins 5.9 won't be offered in many medium duty trucks for much longer I don't think any medium duty trucks sold by Dalmer will have them most people that buy Paccar trucks don't buy them with the puny engine. International sells their trucks with their own engines Mack sells their trucks with their own engines.

The wanting of a I-6 under the hood is more of a big rig wanna be than anything else. As for ease of rebuilding the engine ? who keeps a P/U that long anyhow usually once the engine is toast the truck is worn out.

If you really want a Cummins buy a Dodge and that Ford doesn't offer a I-6 engine simple as that.