I wish that Shasta lives a long and happy life. Somebody please help her and her family get thru this nightmare.

 

Uh....

STan

 

The little girl in Idaho that they found with a child molester over the weekend. She and her brother were kidnapped back in May.

 

Shasta Groene (sp?). Little girl who was rescued in a Denny's in the middle of the night from her captor. I think that children are very resilient and with the proper approach, she will live a long fruitful life. The scumbag who kidnapped her, onthe other hand, should die a slow, painful death. There is no 'fixing' child molestors. They are broken and incapable of changing their sick, demented ways. JMHO.


Oh, and props to the waitress who actually went up to her and started the rescuing process... another hero.

 

Yeah, I hope the best for her. God only knows what she's endured over six weeks with that waste of skin. Those people never seem to change. 14 years in prison didn't fix him. He's supposed to have some sort of website advocating non-prosecution of molesters. I told my wife he should have been sentenced to 14 years but his junk should be sentenced to life... Give 'em the choice. "You can stay in prison for life, or you can leave, but you leave without it."

 

Ah... I'm up to speed now.


Though I understand your reasoning behind (what I'll call) chemical castration (or physical)... I must admit that I wonder if this would only lead to rape by instrumentation.

On the other points, I tend to agree more that all sex offenders should face the possiblilty of LWOP (life w/o parole). The recividism rate for sex offenders is about 85-90% (dependent upon where you get your information from... amongst other things), whereas (proportionallized), the recividism rate for murderers is around 15-20%. I guess what I'm saying... is perhaps we should consider stiffening the the penalty for SO rather than attempting to rehabilitate them... or atleast consider revising the rehabilitation method.

Anyways... easy on this thread guys... their eyes will be on this like rats on a cheeto.

STan

 

get a rope! the only solution for that dirtbag!

 

Not a bad idea... frankly, it's what I think should happen to him... if we just want retribution to the victims. However, if the ultimate (theoretic) goal of the Justice System is to punish and prevent... I don't see this method working to prevent. I say this because this was common practice for 200 years in our country (let alone other countries)... and it didn't do much for prevention, eh?

Honestly... hang him from his loins... anybody who's ever read Fox's Book of Martres know's what I'm talking about. But... let's try to prevent it from happening again.

STan

P.S. Understand I'm not calling you out... that's not my goal. I appologize if this is offending, but I'm just trying to present the counter argument.

 

The problem with chemical castration is that the molestation will not stop. These people are broken. I believe that they see no wrong in what they do. Their moral make-up does not tell them that hurting a child is wrong, and taking away their genetalia isn't going to inhibit their desire to continue hurting children. Thank God Shasta is okay, and that man will never get near her again, and hopefully he won't ever get near ANY children again...

One thing I truly respect, but don't understand, is the authorities ability to apprehend these types of people, and bring them in without inflicting serious harm on them, as I would imagine they would very much love to do. I couldn't do it.

 

He's been tied to the murder scene http://kxly.com/new/getstory.asp?id=44354. He has a lengthy history of sex offenses and disgusting acts with boys going back to when his age was single digit. He's tied up boys and raped them one by one. He forced a 14 YO boy to commit o**l s** by holding a pistol that he stole from a neighbor (one of four) to the kids head. He was charged, tried, convicted, and went in for "treatment" but bailed on the program after two years. He preferred prison to "treatment". In the final report from the treatment facility, there were very clear words/warning that this guy was a danger to society, but back in those days if you serve your time they let em out. Things nowdays are different. He was wanted in Minnesota for a sex crime and had a federal warrant out on him ($2M bail). He stole a red 2005 Jeep Laredo from St Paul, MN and came out here. It's believed that he killed Shasta's brother outside of St Regis, MT on a remote logging road; human remains have been found and are being processed in a crime lab. I kinda figure that in the end it will be him that killed the boy (Shasta's brother Dylan); now to get sufficient proof to charge him. I'm sure the cops are working OT on this. He ain't gonna like the prison in Deer Lodge, MT. I also think his involvement in the murder of the three people in the house east of CoeurDAlene, ID will be more than just tying the victims up. I will further speculate that he came to that house to buy or sell drugs. He has a history of that and so did the Shasta's mom, boyfriend, and her son at the house (all murder victims). I suspect they were all high on something (the murder victims were confirmed to be), he got interested in the kids, and proceeded.

Bottom line is, this guy was a ticking time bomb for years; now hopefully justice will not only remove him from society but will remove him from this planet. We have no room for him here.

The final note is an excerpt from khq.com, a local TV station website: "Authorities continue to ask anyone who may have spotted the 2005 red Jeep Laredo, stolen by Joseph Edward Duncan III, in the last seven weeks to call the Kootenai County Sheriff's tip line at 208-446-2292 or 208-446-2293. The jeep has Missouri plates." No plate number given.

 

I'm with the feller from Massachusetts.

Find a tall oak tree, and and a short piece of rope
-Charlie Daniels

. . . and anyone who hurts a child is gonna burn till the day is done.
-Ray Whiley Hubbard

In Texas we have the death panalty and we USE IT. they're trying to pass a bill is congress right now where if there are at least three credible witnesses to a haness(spl?) crime. which means if at least three people saw you do what you did. you don't sit on death row for 15 years jack. you go straight to the front of the line! other states are trying to abolish the death penalty . . . my state is puttin' in an Express lane! (not quite word for word, but you get the idea)
-Ron white - Blue Collar comedy tour

 

Traxxis, I tend to agree with you that the death penalty may not prevent crime. My view on it is like this. As you said, the ultimate goal of the Justice system is to prevent and punish. Those are two distincly separate tasks.

To prevent, laws are passed that define the limits of acceptable behavior. End of task. The behavior is prevented to the extent that good people will obey those laws.

Punishment is an entirely separate task. The laws that define acceptable behavior also list the penalties for breaking those rules. When the rules are broken the punishment phase should be implemented with full force.

If punishment helps prevent someone else from breaking the law, then that is a positive side benifit, it is not the primary purpose of punishment. For the person who broke the law it is too late to prevent, but the victims and society deserve justice.

I hope this does not come across as confrontational because I do not intend it as such. Just offering a different set of ideas for your consideration.

 

Not in the least bit... I like to think I'm mature enough to handle the counter-argument.

STan

 

The castration idea is more along the lines of punishment than prevention. Our minds naturally seek what is impossible to find: adequate punishment for someone who would spoil the innocence of a child. There is apparently no "fixing" these people. Yes they ARE broken. They need to be removed from society one way or the other, either life in prison or death. If there is no outcry from the public to change the way we deal with molesters after this, then society is broken as well. It's frightening to look at the online registry of sex offenders and see how many are in your own neighborhood, especially when you have children and know how many of these people are repeat offenders.

 

Guys this hits real close to home for all of us in the PNW,I read in the local paper today that there is an account set up at 2 different banks so I think I will be making a donation to try to help the family thru this.