Very well put. I have no leak in mine, but even if I did, it would have to be a pretty good puddle before I'd care.

 

It will be a 6.4l.
Try the twin turbos in series...

And I ain't telling where I get my info from

 

ill bet someone 100 bucks ford is not going to come out with a whole new diesel.. they've spent far to much $$$ for the 6.0, i dont think that they are going to drop it after 3,4 years for a whole new 6.4 that will probably have MORE problems to it.

 

I'll take that bet, if you're saying "they won't be coming out with a 6.4L diesel"... because they definitely *are*. But it isn't "all new" it's just the 6.0L bored and/or stroked out to a slightly bigger capacity. (I have no idea why they felt the need to increase it. Probably just more marketing...)

The injection will be all new, the turbo(s) will be all new. I'm not sure what else they have up their sleeves...

Thanks to Ford's ultra-conservative approach to dealing with 6.0L problems, they've certainly ruled out me as a potential customer for the first ones off the line. Me and pretty much anyone else who bought an early '03 6.0! I wish them all the luck in the world, but they've shown me the dollar is more important than the customer so I won't play that game again.

Duncan

 

This forum is great. I start this subject with hopes of being talked out of the 6.0 diesel as I'm tired of the gas mileage on my beloved 03 V10. I'm finally convinced that I should keep the gas hog from you guys and then at work I run into a diesel owner who swears he is getting 19 to 20mpg on the highway and loves the engine.
Then I get on line and again am convinced that the 6.0 is problematic with the hopes of the new 6.4 being more so. This diesel stuff is tough. I want the gas mileage but not the problems. Maybe I should ride my cycle more and quit fretting over gas mileage.

 

My own take, FWIW, is a current 6.0 is quite reliable...if you have a good service department to take care of it. It's not so much that they're troublesome, it's that the old-school diesel tech that isn't versed in the latest electronics technology is pretty much helpless with these new motors. That's true of any of them- Duramax, PSD, or Cummins. By '07 we'll have a whole new set of emissions regs to deal with...and new trucks from Ford and Chevy to go along with it. I'm sure everyone else has their own opinion, but I think '06 is shaping up to be one heckuva year to buy a diesel truck.

 

Where did you find the documented proof of the excessive warranty claims? Quite a few of us would like to see the data backing up this claim.

Don't you remember the first year release of the 6.9L Diesel? Geez, that was no walk in the park either. Have you also forgotten that a few years after the 6.9L was released, Ford moved up to the 7.3L. Gee, in 1982, they released a new diesel and a few years later, after the bugs were worked out of it, they upgraded it by 0.4L. Doesn't this sound familiar?

Don't forget, that the people who have had no problems with this engine are not going to come to this forum and post how great the 6.0L motor is. Instead, this forum is a place to vent for those who have had problems.

...Enough said.

 

Can that someone be ME???
Please!!!!

 

Yea I would like to see that documentation also. However, I disagree that people are not coming to this site to post how great the 6.0L is. I quite often see post saying it's a great engine.
Many people are stating as fact what the changes in the 2007 diesel will be (for sure there will be a 6.4L twin turbo diesel for 2007) but no one has bothered to say where this information comes from. Seriously, please tell us where you get this information. This is a great site. Mostly when asking for practical experience with specific issues. But the site contains many internally circulated rumors. Like all internet sites you have to be careful how literally you take the posted information. There is no quality control. Anyone can post anything they believe. For example, I keep seeing post stating that the only difference between the 250 and the 350 is the rear springs. This is not accurate. Someone says it, someone else reads it, believes it and repost. I'm not saying the 2007 6.4L rumor isn't true, but can anyone please say where they get this information? Oh yea I know, "I could tell you but then I would have to kill you", or I know a guy who knows a guy who....

 

For some people, not telling people where they get their information from means they can keep getting information on a continuous basis.

And know I wouldn't have to "kill you" if I told you, but it could jepordise more than a couple of jobs and potentially contracts as well.
Jobs and contracts that I don't want to put on the line simply for proving a point.

The reason people can post things is because it is purely speculation (ever been to BlueOvalNews?).
They may know a whole lot more than they let on, or they could be making it up.

It is for the reader to make up their mind whether they believe it or not, and in cases like this, it shouldn't be the posters responsibility to back up their claims...
Serious consequences beyond what you may even may be able to comprehend may result.

That is the beauty of this site, you can make up your own mind, if someone posts facts, and details to back up their post, well then it makes it more convincing, yes.
But more fool on them for doing so.

 

I understand. There are times I've posted information from sources that can't be linked, but are quite legit. "Horses mouth," so to speak. I suspect you're a bit closer to the horses than I am though.

 

Why don't you talk to the operators of tow/haul trucks and ask them how many 6.0s PSDs they have hauled in. Why did the tech that worked on my turbo, saw signs of wear, and wanted to replace the Turbo......... but then told me Ford turned the request down because they are trying to squirm out of many warranty issues. If you don't like the message ,don't shoot the messenger. Ford did not go to the 6.0 with only a 3.5 year run intended and the emmision laws did not change overnight. They are walking away from the single variable vane turbo because it is a high failure component. Do you think Ford is going to put this in writing? There will be a lot of long faces down the road when you true believers are replacing that turbo out of your own wallet. You guys have to wake up and smell the diesel.

 

Wrenchtraveller Why don't you talk to the operators of tow/haul trucks and ask them how many 6.0s PSDs they have hauled in. Why did the tech that worked on my turbo, saw signs of wear, and wanted to replace the Turbo......... but then told me Ford turned the request down because they are trying to squirm out of many warranty issues. If you don't like the message ,don't shoot the messenger. Ford did not go to the 6.0 with only a 3.5 year run intended and the emmision laws did not change overnight. They are walking away from the single variable vane turbo because it is a high failure component. Do you think Ford is going to put this in writing? There will be a lot of long faces down the road when you true believers are replacing that turbo out of your own wallet. You guys have to wake up and smell the diesel.

Actually, emissions laws for diesels did change overnight. There's pre-'03, and post '03. If you follow the posts of many of the truckers here on FTE, the big rigs are having many of the same issues...for the same reasons.

 

I personally love the 6.0. I`ve had a few minor problems but I also had problems with my 7.3 and everything else I`ve owned thats man made.
No matter what Ford does in the future the other companys will still be trying to catch up to Fords record sales!!

 

I'm gonna make a statement that is only my opinion, not based on any "facts" other than those I have gleaned from reading posts here.

The 6.0 is a very reliable motor based on the overall numbers. Did Ford have a "learning curve" with the introduction of this new platform and technology? YES, they did, they scrambled to make improvements to both performance and emissions, and only time creates the true test. I seriously doubt that we would be reading posts about EGR problems if it wasn't for emmissions requirements. What you do have is a drivetrain (engine and transmission) that is more complicated or advanced than most owners and techs can understand and relate to.

I think Ford's biggest problem with the 6.0 is the lack of training, dealer support, and dealer warranty policies/reimbursements. When you read so many of the "horror" stories on here, they are often a compilation of smaller problems that the servicing dealer is either unwilling ( just poor attitude towards service ) or unprepared ( untrained techs, etc. ) to deal with. I'm willing to bet that there were people who had some of those same problems with their 6.0s, that their dealer resolved in a reasonable fashion and that customer is not unhappy. Also, there is a prevalent attitude amoung us owners that when our $45,000 truck is broken, we want it fixed in a timely manner, or we want another $45,000 truck to use while they repair our trucks or wait for parts, and I very much agree with that philosophy, especially for those who bought their truck for use in their business.

Marketing, and emmissions requirements, are the driving force behind these diesel motor advancements. One for the advertising, and one for the government regulations.

If there is a 6.4 in 2007 it will have teething problems also. Only time will tell what those problems will be and how they will get fixed.