> A spanking is one thing, using a paddle is another

Yea, I agree with that, especially with an adult male behind it. I do not go for slapping in the face or punching either. They just gave a life sentence to a loser in GA that slapped his girlfriend's 3 year old to death for peeing her pull ups. Supposedly slapped the poor kid only twice in the head, killing her. He must have a Joe Fraiser of a slap, I can't see two slaps doing that much damage.

I have slapped myself in the face as hard as I could to see how it would feel to have it done, it feels terrible. I do not see how you could hit a child harder then that in the head.

My mother and others in my family use to tell me about the nuns with the chalk board pointer and how they would wack you out of the blue on the hands or paddle a real trouble maker with it on their naked behind. The kids feared the nuns more then their parents I think the nuns probably gave a worse paddling then that guy because the kid could still walk ... Everyone survived and kept in line. I think the nun scene is pretty funny in Blues Brothers, you get an idea how it looks from a kids view.

> that we have such a wide spread disciplinary problem (in all demographics) in our youth?

imo, Because we took God out of the schools, the Pledge, singing patriotic songs, and promote abortion. All these children problems started in the 60s and got worse in the early 70s. I remember in my junior high school, about 1974, the kids had gotten so wild in that year it dumb founded everyone. They had to put bars on the school windows and doors (including interior doors) in 1974/1975. It was just an explosion of violence and mayhem.

My 8th grade music teacher was playing the piano when some 8th grade psycho came up with a big knife and cut the piano strings because he did not like music class. She had a break down right there in class. We had to spend the rest of year with the multiple degree of black belts school principal as our sub, while we sat at our desk doing nothing because no other teacher would take the class.

I hated my urban combat training, I mean school.

 

just after i turned 17, I started spoutin' off some **** to my mom in a store. She reached out and popped me good right on the butt. The embarassment factor shut me up real quick. i was no stranger to the spoon, and i'm damn glad my parents used it on me.

 

Well, being only 25 I think I turned out fine. My father was out of hand a few times. I never stepped out of line like my 17 year old sister does, but I was no angel either. Did all the typical stuff. Smoking, underage drinking, pot, ant other stupid crap. My parents really chose their battles. I was also much more diskrete then my sister. Not saying I was sneaky, just careful. Spankings are almost necessary to be used for more servere problems/situations. I was taught that physical violence, ie: hitting/punching/spanking/etc. meant I was Way Way over the line.

 

I've never done a bit of drugs or undergae drinkin and i'm 18, but to each thier own. Weed aint real bad, but once crack and booze becomes involved, people always seem to turn into buttholes.

 

RocketScience- I for one, paddled my two boys until the age where they could actually comprehend what a “time out” was. I don’t hold a PHD in Child Psychology, but I’m sorry, that two year-old brat throw’n a conniption fit in the grocery store check-out line is only gonna understand one thing.

We'd have to agree that the person hasn't been born that can rationalize with a two yr old...or three yr old. By age 11, I would think there would be other alternatives.


rebocardo- nice rant. I'm going to pose the question, though- when exactly did things go to heck in a handbasket? Looking at my wife's class of behavioural issue teens, I'll share some random statistics:

All of them, without exception, come from troubled homes. Out of 18 kids, two come from two-parent households. Almost a third come from no-parent households, where a relative or the State has taken over guardianship. Almost half of them have had some form of abusive situation in the backgrounds- and we're not talking a paddling because of a tantrum. What these kids share in common is they are in my wife's class because it isn't safe to let them mainstream, but there's hope they can be turned around. Hard for my wife and her team to make up for over a decade of absentee parents...or worse.

Sooo...the divorce rate is over 50%, of the kids that are left many of them live as "latchkey" kids while their parents pursue the American Dream...or are just trying to put food on the table. We have a culture of matierialism and drug use that's almost inescapable- on the TV, in the movies, probably just down the street. The schools are merely a reflection of who we, as a society, have become. They didn't cause it, but many expect them to be the solution.

My own rant over.

 

I remember one time when I was about 14yrs old,my old man punched me right square in the mouth.I bled like a stuck pig.Why?Because he thought I had shown disrespect to my mom.I wanted to go ice skating on the ditch by our house and she had said no.I walked outside and told my buddies,What I said was,I cant the ditch is thinnin,what my old man heard was,I cant the (female dog) is whinnin.Well,I took my punishment and he never apologized for it.But you can bet I made sure that my mom knew what I had said,It was more important to me for her to know that I would never call her that.But you know what?I love my dad!That situation just showed me that he was human too.And we have had conversations about the punishments he dished out on my brothers and I.Even he says,by todays standards every parent from the fifties and sixties would be a child abuser.But I dont look back on him being abusive,I just knew he meant business!But on the other side of that coin,my old man never used a 2x4 or a 2x6 on any of us.But he did have a razor strap and trust me it left welts on your fanny!So by what they say today,it would be abuse.But then that strap represented morals,values,respect for elders,and respect for your fellow human beings.Today,no strap,no respect,no morals,no values.I myself like I said in an earlier post, spank,with my hand,I love my kids and dont want them to fear the belt the way I did.But I do want them to respect people,have values,and morals.And for the record,weather that little girl needed to be spanked or not,her parents DID!

 

<quote>We have a culture of matierialism and drug use that's almost inescapable.<quote>
Polar bear

Materialism is responsible for much heartache and loss.
The promise of buying happiness coupled with the pills we're taking to get our minds off of real life, that will divide people including family.
Pharmaceutical drugs are not the answer, I'm convinced good friends and family support is more imporant than the vehicle in the driveway.

My mom used a wooden spoon on me and she had a knack 4 it. I didn't learn as fast as other kids and I paid the price. 1 night she had that spoon out and damed if she didn't break the thing over my ***. I think she laughed more than I did.....then got her back-up spoon! Had she used the paddle I'd have grown up much earlier.

 

"a 2 foot long 2x6 that weighed 2.5 lbs."...this is a weapon, end of story.

Try hitting a stranger with this and if he doesn't shoot you, you'll end up charged with felony assault.

 

When my girlfriend was a little girl..her step dad was borderline abusive.

(i dont tell people this too much, but since no one really knows me what the hell, lol)

she was spanked hard enough for bruises a few times and slapped in the face a few times.
I know it happend until she was in highschool, when she told a few people what happened. One time she got paddled hard enough for bruises and her older sisters husband, Joe, caught him doing it and beat him nearly to the hospitol. Joe is a gentle giant but he know wrong and right and made her step dad pay for that one. well it never really helped until i came along when we were in school. Just before i graduated i came over to her house, and just walked in the door like i always did, just in time to see her crying. i forced her to tell me what happened, being that i was on the phone with her 5 minutes previous and she was happy as a clam. He came around the corner in the house to see who was here and i laid him out cold. and then i took her to my house to stay the night, all the while backing my truck into his really hard...an 86 ford rear bumper eats 98 dodge dakotas for breakfast. he also recieved a few phone calls from me, my old man, and his dad. Needless to say that was the last time he ever hit her. I dont think he will ever hit another kid as long as im around.


i fixed one....

 

I know several times that when I was an 11 year old that I got a spanking and it did nothing except help me. Now I agree that a 2x6 is too much, but to completely give up spanking even at an age of 11 is ridiculous. I believe kids need to get spanked when they do wrong. I work at Walgreens as the front cashier and I see all the time where a kid cries because he wants something, or is just yelling for the heck of it and then the parents just say stop screaming and threaten them with all sorts of things. But in the end the kid gets candy and the toy they wanted.

Our country is coming to an end.. I'm only 18 and I can already see it. Kids everywhere are becoming horrible and uncontrollable.. no respect for anybody. Then we have the few people that think kids shouldn't get punished "Lets give them everything they want!!!" We have people making laws on how our children are supposed to be raised, when in face they're not even there for their own kids and don't even know how to raise them.

 

Yes and in 10 - 20 years the kids raised this way will have kids, what kind of parents do you think they will be? The whole thing scares me even though i don't have kids. When I'm in my 40s and 50s I'm going to have to deal with these brats - and these will be the people making our laws

 

YIKES! I'm go'n underground!

 

You know what's really wierd- they might do just fine. I'm thinking back on growing up in the 60's-70's in So Cal. "Challenging" doesn't even begin to describe what my folks went through. My kids are a lot more conservative than I ever thought about being, especially at their age. 'Course, I married a redneck girl- that might have something to do with it.

 

[QUOTE=RomerB2]I know several times that when I was an 11 year old that I got a spanking and it did nothing except help me. Now I agree that a 2x6 is too much, but to completely give up spanking even at an age of 11 is ridiculous. I believe kids need to get spanked when they do wrong. [QUOTE]

I know every kid is different so for some kids at that age maybe it is a good form of dicipline. I don't plan on using it, but that is just me. I was rarely spanked at the age of 11 if at all. It didn't work with me (and I know it won't work for my boy, he is to much like me). As far as I was concerned, I would rather be spanked and have a few minutes of pain then listen to one of my dad's lectures, or get grounded, ect., and he knew it so he didn't spank me.

The only time I can remember my dad ever physically diciplined me once I was older is when I picked a fight with him when I was 16. Needless to say I learned real quick that day that he was still the head of the household and I have to follow his rules as long as I lived there.

I won't say I was never spanked, but I guess what I meant to say is by "an 11 year old is to old to spank" is through my personal experience, by that time the kids SHOULD have enough respect and parents have enough control that spanking isn't really a reasonable disipline option.

 

Do 11 year olds need to be spanked? I would say it depends on the child. Is it spanking or an almost instant attitude adjustment. If my kids were misbehaving in a store I never had a prolbem swating them on the butt. It would always stop the prolbem. I have 2 girls who after a while that the threat was all it would take. I have a son who will test and see if it still applies. His attitude will get worse and worse untill something is done. It has gotten less and less frequent in fact I can not remember the last time I had to spank any of them. Would I do it now You bet I would and they know it. Do you spank a child and then ignore them NOT me. I tell them what they did wrong and make sure they understand and understand that I love them.