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Ideally, you shouldn't call the cops for a 5 year old.
But if the school actually tried to do something, or even just put her in room so she didnt hurt anyone and so she'd calm down, they probably would have been sued. I don't blame the school at all, they're just afraid of doing someting and being sued.
The cops should have just cuffed her and put her in a seat or in the back of the cruser till her parents arrived. Maybe this little girl just has some psychological problems? I can't ever remember anyone in all my years of school acting like that.
But if the school actually tried to do something, or even just put her in room so she didnt hurt anyone and so she'd calm down, they probably would have been sued. I don't blame the school at all, they're just afraid of doing someting and being sued.
The cops should have just cuffed her and put her in a seat or in the back of the cruser till her parents arrived. Maybe this little girl just has some psychological problems? I can't ever remember anyone in all my years of school acting like that.
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Originally Posted by King Triton
What gets me is,I dont care where I am at,either talking about it here,or at work,or while hanging out with friends,it seems that everyone agrees that children need to be taught right from wrong.And that 99% of them agree that if a child becomes that unruly,they need to be punished.So,what I want to know is,who was it that started all this garbage preventing our teachers and principal from having any way to control these kids?Man,when I was a kid,if you pulled something like that at school,the teacher would kick your fanny,then the principal,and then you prayed like heck that they would not tell mom and dad.And you know what?Nobody EVER took a gun to school,or a knife,or turned out to be an axe murderer.So who was it that let these clowns into the system?Kids now are becoming so disrespectful to each other and to adults.Now the answer seems to be,Oh little Johnny acts up at school?Well send him to clinic where they will dope him up and we wont have to deal with him!The scariest part of this is,everybody sees things are getting worse and worse,but yet these twits are still calling the shots!It is amazing to me how many children they diagnose these days with A.D.D.So lets just pump these kids full of dexedrine,thats the answer!Funny,when I was a kid,my old man used belts,fists,or anything that was within arms reach,So I learned real fast to behave.Although there were things that I disprove of such as slapping a kid across the face,I love my Dad,he taught me values,morals,and right from wrong!Today,I can take my children anywhere,and have been told multiple times how well behaved they are.Why?Because they dont want to get spanked!No belts,no weapons,no face slapping,just the bare hand to the seat of the pants.Another funny thing is,they are all teenagers now,and I cant remember the last time one of them got a spanking.
My own Mother says my children are "hyper". Forgivable as she is 80 years old. But as my wife says, they are NOT hyper they are CHILDREN!!!!!! If we didn't want the responsibility of being parents than we shouldn't have had children. But we did and I try to be fair.
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This dad is married to a special Ed teacher- and we have an autistic child. That child is ADHD, and possibly borderline Autistic- some very classic signs there. This thread blows my mind- a video of a small child with some very obvious developmental issues, and all anyone can come up with is "spank her and move on." 
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Um,no,I did not say spank her and move on.I too have a son with A.D.H.D.and am very versed when it comes to dealing with him.For one,you could spank him until his butt was black and blue and your hand was on fire and it would not do any good.but at the same time,I have friends and neighbors whose children are not in my opinion ADHD but have been told they were by the school nurse because they acted up in school.With my son it has been a rollercoaster ride,with the mood swings,the lack of attention,the hyperactivity,and the reality of seeing him become lethargic while taking his Adderol.My point was not directed at this little girl,it was more at the way our system has become so pathetic in how it deals with the children of today.Luckily,with my son,now that he is turning 17,I have slowly been getting him away from medications.I admit,there are still a few bad days,but the way I look at it,I would rather he get on my nerves than find out years from now that he suffered damage to his internal organs because of a lack of tolerance on my part.But believe me,I meant no disrespect to the children who truely do suffer from ADHD or their parents.
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Originally Posted by King Triton
Um,no,I did not say spank her and move on.I too have a son with A.D.H.D.and am very versed when it comes to dealing with him.For one,you could spank him until his butt was black and blue and your hand was on fire and it would not do any good.but at the same time,I have friends and neighbors whose children are not in my opinion ADHD but have been told they were by the school nurse because they acted up in school.With my son it has been a rollercoaster ride,with the mood swings,the lack of attention,the hyperactivity,and the reality of seeing him become lethargic while taking his Adderol.My point was not directed at this little girl,it was more at the way our system has become so pathetic in how it deals with the children of today.Luckily,with my son,now that he is turning 17,I have slowly been getting him away from medications.I admit,there are still a few bad days,but the way I look at it,I would rather he get on my nerves than find out years from now that he suffered damage to his internal organs because of a lack of tolerance on my part.But believe me,I meant no disrespect to the children who truely do suffer from ADHD or their parents.
There is a similiar thread on another forum I frequent, (RVnet) and it's a hard call to make.
It's just that we see so many excuses made for bad parenting. To those parents who have to genuinely deal with these issues, my deepest support. I do sometimes wonder with my girls but that's the difference between those of us that care and those that make excuses. We watch our children and hold them and try to see when we're wrong or right.
It's so hard to judge. It's so hard to be a parent sometimes. Sometimes I don't know what to think. I guess that makes me human. I don't know. When I'm wrong I can admit it. Both to my kids and others.
I have a 3 year old that is so oversensitive it is rediculous. I tend to lose patience with her as it's hard to figure out what's wrong when she has a melt down which is often. (Hell, our 2 year old picks on her!!) But when I am wrong I hold her and apologize to her.
These children are my life and my existance and I will do whatever it takes to be a good Dad. Wrong or right I have to try...
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i watched it twice and the girls face was pixelated the 2nd time. at first i thought how could police handcuff a 5 yr old, but now i think it is a good wake up call for parents. when will parents step up and teach their children the right way, i figure this happened for a reason and now it just raises the question where do u draw the line and allow police or other authority to step in b/c the parents haven't or won't? the lawyer called it abuse, which is dumb cause they did it as 'nicely' as possible. we've all seen cops, it could have been worse. what else was there to use on her? pepper spray, tranquilzer,that lawyer would have had fun then. anywho, all i saw was a kid that didn't get their way for the first time, i'm no doctor but i don't see any special developemental problems there. the parent should be handcuffed too.
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Just wait till she's older, then we can blame guns when she ends up shooting her teachers and classmates. Schools have gotten light on troubled students, the county here has parents seeking senators and lawyers help because the students getting out of control and not only have the schools administration turned a blind eye on policys, but the board, they think ignoring it will make it go away. My child has been beat up and picked on since his first day in kindergarden, he's passive, yet they can send him home bruised and battered never seeing a thing, yet immediately punish him when they do something, and tell he did it, their work is always first. BTW, they pulled the ADD card on my kid, if I medicate him and make him any slower, I'd have to send him to school in pads and helmet, 9 years old now with 2 years of Karate, he still just stands there and takes it. Pretty twisted school systems, parents send their heathens who don't behave at home, and tell the school they aren't allowed to punish them.
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DenDanger- there are a lot of school districts that use ADD as an excuse for not doing their jobs. Drives the Special Ed Dept nuts, because they have kids in the program that shouldn't be there. Before those little darlings hit kindergarten, make sure you don't live in one of them.
broncobillybob- the signature movements were the flapping arms and the verbalization. Mrs. Bear is speculating that the teachers took that video because they've already advised the parent(s) of potential problems, they haven't been addressed, and they were doing the CYA thing. You would be amazed at the number of parents that, when told their child may have some type of behavioural/developmental issue, will refuse to have the child tested. I've been there- it's tough to accept.
maples01- document, document, document- paper and photo. Nothing will get a school districts attention faster than a letter from an attorney, but you have to have your ducks in a row first. Sadly, these things often don't become a district priority until they have pay out a settlement.
broncobillybob- the signature movements were the flapping arms and the verbalization. Mrs. Bear is speculating that the teachers took that video because they've already advised the parent(s) of potential problems, they haven't been addressed, and they were doing the CYA thing. You would be amazed at the number of parents that, when told their child may have some type of behavioural/developmental issue, will refuse to have the child tested. I've been there- it's tough to accept.
maples01- document, document, document- paper and photo. Nothing will get a school districts attention faster than a letter from an attorney, but you have to have your ducks in a row first. Sadly, these things often don't become a district priority until they have pay out a settlement.
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Originally Posted by RyanMiller
Just threaten to take away there gameboys and snackie poo's, they'll behave. Kids are so materialistic with these toys, what happend to playing outside and kicking a soccer ball around or having a catch.
You can't ground kids the same way now, you do them a favor sending them to their rooms with the 200 channel cable and the video game systems, internet, cell phones... I didn't have any of that. When I was grounded to my room it was books or imagination. Got grounded a lot, maybe that's why I became an engineer 
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everyone has their own way of dealing with their kids. To give advice to other parents is basically pointless. Every parent tries numerous ways of dealing with their kids and 9/10 times has the best way.
with that being said...
I bet this little girl grew up with her parents putting her in "Time out".
If she actually has a problem, fine. get her the help she needs. But if she is just throwing a tantrum an old fashioned butt whooping probably is way over due.
with that being said...
I bet this little girl grew up with her parents putting her in "Time out".
If she actually has a problem, fine. get her the help she needs. But if she is just throwing a tantrum an old fashioned butt whooping probably is way over due.
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Quote by KT:
So,what I want to know is,who was it that started all this garbage preventing our teachers and principal from having any way to control these kids?
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Child Psychologist's & Special Interest Groups is who I think started it when they removed Fundamental Subjects from the standard school cirriculum & replaced them with Feel Good Subjects.
So,what I want to know is,who was it that started all this garbage preventing our teachers and principal from having any way to control these kids?
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Child Psychologist's & Special Interest Groups is who I think started it when they removed Fundamental Subjects from the standard school cirriculum & replaced them with Feel Good Subjects.
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When he was in county school, they claimed him immune deficient, that was their excuse for his bruises, a quick visit to the doctor, he called the school indicating he started a file on this because my son is healthy, next day problem solved, bully found.
I'm still saving, copying and making my own files, the senator we had for help has left it up to the school board of blind idiots, to be on top of things, superintendant didn't have a clue what was going on, long story. Documentation doesn't always work, the problems we have is the kids making up things on him, obvious lies, but it's easier to come down hard on the little man. You can't blame a child who's scared of his shadow for what they say he does, he's said to be a problem child if you listen to the principal, but his report card indicates him as no problem.
Principal of my high school my sophmore year told my mother that I was a phsycopath and out of control, he was far off the mark, but I made sure to show him that reguardless of what he came up with, I had alibys. BTW, he quickly retired when they skipped him over for the superintendent job, that's why he took the principal job of our school, later he was arrested for stealing a bag of peanuts, seems he forgot he put them in his pocket, excuse worked on clearing him.
I'm still saving, copying and making my own files, the senator we had for help has left it up to the school board of blind idiots, to be on top of things, superintendant didn't have a clue what was going on, long story. Documentation doesn't always work, the problems we have is the kids making up things on him, obvious lies, but it's easier to come down hard on the little man. You can't blame a child who's scared of his shadow for what they say he does, he's said to be a problem child if you listen to the principal, but his report card indicates him as no problem.
Principal of my high school my sophmore year told my mother that I was a phsycopath and out of control, he was far off the mark, but I made sure to show him that reguardless of what he came up with, I had alibys. BTW, he quickly retired when they skipped him over for the superintendent job, that's why he took the principal job of our school, later he was arrested for stealing a bag of peanuts, seems he forgot he put them in his pocket, excuse worked on clearing him.
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I have to agree with the guy who said ADD/ADHD has become an excuse for kids to act like idiots. When I was growing up we didn't have a problem with kids having these diseases because it was beat out of them by the time they were 5 or 6 years old. There was one kid in my class that probably had a legitimate problem. How many kids in every class are afflicted with these diseases now? Puhlease people! 90% of the kids that allegedly suffer from these things are suffering more from lack of parenting skills. I have 3 god sons that are a good example. At home they act like they have some brain disorder. When they stay with me they act normal because they know I won't put up with that crap. After throwing one fit and feeling the wrath we didn't have any more problems.