Speeding ticket issues.
Revenue generating on ignorant people who break the driving law is not being a cash cow.
Those people that get caught had a choice.
for instance:
People who own a business try to hit certain groups for commerce.
Why can't a city,town, county,etc go out and Catch more people breaking the law?
Revenue generating on ignorant people who break the driving law is not being a cash cow.
Those people that get caught had a choice.
for instance:
People who own a business try to hit certain groups for commerce.
Why can't a city,town, county,etc go out and Catch more people breaking the law?"
When a City in California is handed a class action suit because of it's red-light running policies, and loses because "evidence provided by the cameras was so untrustworthy and unreliable that it should not be admitted," according to the judge that ruled- we have a problem. The program, BTW, pays $70 per violation to the contractor that supplied the system.
When a small town in Oregon can annex a few acres next to I-5, and then runs a speed trap that covers over half the towns annual budget, we have a problem. The town is currently fielding a lawsuit for racketeering and other ethical breaches. It was so bad, the State Legislature had to step in.
Law enforcement is supposed to be about traffic safety Dennis. Politicians are responsible for taxation. When we ask our police officers to become tax collectors, what happens to the respect and appreciation that we rightfully owe these fine gentlemen?
I consider Red Light cameras Law Enforcement.
I wish there were MORE police officers on the road for that *In their face* enforcement. Unfortunately Money is factor.
People should know they are out there.The only problem I have with Photo radar is that once someone sees them and goes by at or below the speed limit people now know they can speed for a while without getting caught.
In Calgary, for example .
The CPS have 3 active Photo radar cameras at any time.
The magic number 3 allows the Police service to reap the rewards of fines from this type of enforcement.
Had the police operate more than 3, the proceeds goes into General revenue to the city or province.
There are Warning signs all over the roadways.
There isn't ANY excuse for people speeding.
In Britain, they warn people as well about a radar trap the only difference is over the radar & camera is embedded into barricades or fixtures at curb level.
I still believe these ideas are Meant to slow people down by signage, & the actual ticket.
It is the human Psyche, whether they abide by the law it or not.
Speeding = a fine whatever way one is caught.
From what I understand, police like people who plead ignorance about circumstances.
ie: Person caught Speeding: " I didn't see the sign "
Police reply, "You should be more aware of your surroundings when you are driving,as unless there is a sing posted saying otherwise, the Maximum speed allowed is 30 MPH".
Is is my firm belief People as a rule Don't take driving seriously enough
If they did ...the world would be a better place.
But since they don't there is law enforcement .
Makes a wonderful revenue collection tool if misused.
I consider Red Light cameras Law Enforcement.
In spite of evidence I linked to the contrary? Edit: there was another study that showed rear-end collisions tripled at intersections where red-light cameras were in use. Give me time, I'll find the link.
I wish there were MORE police officers on the road for that *In their face* enforcement. Unfortunately Money is factor.
People should know they are out there.The only problem I have with Photo radar is that once someone sees them and goes by at or below the speed limit people now know they can speed for a while without getting caught.
The rules of engagement are bit bit different north of the border. When I see 5 officers working a speed trap, and a driver weaving through traffic in a hazardous fashion a few minutes down the road, I'd have to agree- money is the issue. Why work the street if you can ring the cash register?
In Calgary, for example .
The CPS have 3 active Photo radar cameras at any time.
The magic number 3 allows the Police service to reap the rewards of fines from this type of enforcement.
Do they have revenue sharing agreements with the equipment providers? The words "conflict of interest" comes to mind if they do.
Had the police operate more than 3, the proceeds goes into General revenue to the city or province.
So it is all about revenue generation then?
We agree, in principle, on the necessity of policing and regulating traffic safety. We disagree, in principle, on what methods would be deemed "appropriate" or "fair" to achieve those ends. My contention is the sheeple that can't afford an attorney will pay the brunt of the costs.
Last edited by polarbear; Apr 8, 2005 at 05:16 PM.
That particular bear dined...
You lost it when you didn't keep your speed down, and that happens, but ain't arguable in court. I think you're gonna have to bite the bullet on that one...
~Wolf
PS: If I'm in a BOX, I know it's a BOX, I can see it's a BOX, and I try to convince myself that it's something other than a BOX -
I'm still going to be inside a BOX...
Last edited by Greywolf; Apr 8, 2005 at 05:35 PM.
Some people have trouble walking … that is 2 mph.
I love watching people operate vehicles. Seriously, take an hour out of your day and sit by a busy intersection. Just watch and have fun.
First of all, people should have a lot more respect to the law enforcement officers who put thier lives on the line DAILY so the we can be safe. To think that a cop is out to get you because they are a cop is proving that you have a lot of growing up to do. Sure there is curruption in law enforcement, but not all officers are corrupt. Then again, there is corruption in probably every job field out there.
As for red light cameras causing accidents, I don't see it. We have an intersection locally that had a history of bad accidents, most of them deadly. Two years ago the became photo enforced and the number of wrecks has decreased dramatically. Of course these results are like a diet plan, the individual results will vary.
As far as trying to "beat" a ticket, I think its obsurd. I myself have not been the best driver. I have has 9 tickets in 10 years, most for speeding. I currently have 4 points on my drivers license and 5 insurance points. However, I have never looked for a way out. I got caught doing something wrong that I knew was wrong to begin with and I had to take the consequences.
This past August I was out in my back yard working on my car and heard a car fly by on an ajoining road. I started to tell the guy who was working with me that they'd never make the coming curve if they didn't slow down. I never got it all out of my mouth when we heard the tires squeeling and the crash. We got in my truck and rushed over as he was calling 911. Much to my suprise they hadn't even made it to the curve. He went off the side of the road, hit a ditch, went end over end, ejecting the passenger. Words can decribe how I felt to see this girl laying lifeless with literally part of her head ripped off and her brain matter in the yard. I ran to the car to see in anyone else was hurt or worse and to let them know that help was on the way. I didn't know it at the time because I couldn't recognize her, but the girl was a girl that I went to church with. I took it upon myself to investigate the young man that was driving the car that night. It turned out that his father is a very wealthy man who has paid high dollar attorneys to get him off. In fact, the boy was 17 years old at the time of the wreck in in the 15 months prior to the accident had 2 counts of careless and reckless driving, 1 count of reckless driving to endanger, and 2 speeding tickets, all dismissed by the DA. In the wreck he recived a misdemeanor death by motor vehicle and reckless driving which are still pending. Since the wreck he has had 2 more speeding tickets, one of which he was alleged to be going more than 90 mph in a 55. I was furious to find this all out. IMHO if it weren't for this boy's wealthy father and his attorney, his license would have been long gone and he would not have been driving that night. Thus Ashley would still be here. To make matters worse, about a week after the wreck his dad replaced the 03 Mustang GT with an 04 Cobra!
To sum it all up, if you do the crime, do the time. If everyone (including myself) would stop being so impatient while driving we wouldn't have this post. The cops are out there everyday putting thier lives on the line for some ungreatful people to in essence spit in their face by trying to beat a ticket. Funny how people don't have a problem with cops when they need them, but God forbid you get a ticket, because then they are the enemy. I work very closely with law enforcement almost every day and have a lot of respect for what they do. If you didn't do anything wrong, you wouldn't have to worry. Otherwise be prepared to reap what you sew!
I look forward to the replies from this post!
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and i guess nobody has ever done you a favor?..go ahead buddy,be pissed off at the world...you probably don't do anything for anybody and that's why nobody does any favors for you...congratulations on being my first enemy on this site..
I'm not pissed off at the world, I love my life, and I do a lot for a lot of different people and have received many favors when I've been in tight spots. I only have problems with people receiving favors that get them around the law. I'm a law abiding person but everytime I see some one get around the law, I just lose a bit more respect for that person and the law. My mother used to work for a judge (at his firm) and he would receive tremedous pressure to let certain individuals slide, like a Fire Chief who was hauled in driving drunk as a dog (and had video of it) but got away with a slap on the wrist.
Sorry, maybe my post was out of line, but I've seen a lot of crap go on around here (not FTE, my town and state) and just I'm sick of it. My post was just a reaction to the number of times I've heard "I got the charges (or ticket) dropped cause my dad (or uncle or friend's dad) is a cop" or some variation. The individual getting off has lost respect for the law, and so have I. Sorry if I offended you, but thats just how I feel, if someone's done wrong they should be punished, no ifs, ands, or buts.
This type of stuff is going on all over the state now. Everybody wants a piece of the revenue.
My latest ticket I got in Oct. of 2004. I was charged with driving 10-15 miles over and was issued a ticket with a choice to submit the 80.00 tax. I choose to plead not guilty. I have every right to enter a plea of not guilty. I spend time getting my case ready. The court date comes I show up. The prosucution (traffic cop) fails to show. I get a dismissal. A pretty easy case. I was confident in my case. I did not get any info I subpenaed for back from the traffic cop.
For the original poster, It is in your best interest to contest any ticket you ever get. Do the searches read and read some more. Prepare yourself.
Remember after the locals, counties, and state gets thier revenue. The insurance company will be next in line with their fist open.
ie:124kph in a 120 kmph zone
The original posted stated he didn't want any part of paying it.
This isn't contesting the ticket, this is trying to get out of it completely based on.........money !
At least that's what I read into his comments.
............ or any other things you have done to get out of tickets because I really can't afford this or the car is gone
I require the specific offense, the date and location of the offense, and offense code. The ticket number. The name of the officer that wrote the ticket. The court location and name of judge. The date and time of your court hearing.
Also, post a picture of the citation.
Until then...fiction is the name of your game.
Names x ed out to protect the innocent.
STATE VS. XXXXXXX
-- Case Detail --
Case #: M-52-TR-XXXXXXXX
Current Judge: JIM Xxxxxxxx
Case Status: CL FINAL CLOSED Status Date: 04/05/2005
Filing Date: 10/19/2004
Court: Magistrate Court
-- Parties to this Case --
DEFENDANT D 1 XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX
-- Register of Actions Activity --
Event Date Event Description P Type P Num Amt
04/05/2005 CLS: DISMISSED D 1
OFFCIER FTA
04/04/2005 CAL: TRIAL NON JURY
Calendar Posting on 03-03-2005
03/03/2005 NTC: OF TRIAL (CRIMINAL) D 1
04-04-05
9AM
03/02/2005 NOT GUILTY PLEA D 1
SENT IN NOT GUILTY PLEA
01/10/2005 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1 0.00
XXXXXXXX issued by xxxxxxx SANDY P (6022) NTC: CRIMINAL SUM
10/19/2004 OPN: CITATION FILED D 1
Citation C-xxxxxxxxx filed.
-- Judge Assignment History --
Assign Date Judge Name Sequence # Assignment Event Desc
10/19/2004 JIM xxxxxxxxx 1
-- Criminal Charge Details for --
Count Seq Charge Charge Dt Citation #
XXXXXXXXX xxxxxxxx D 1 1 1 66-7-301 (2)-SPEEDING (11-15 OVER LIMIT) 10/17/2004
Plea: N-NOT GUILTY Disp: 1A-CRB: DISMISSED BY PROSECUTOR Disp Date: 04/05/2005
Last edited by nmford; Apr 8, 2005 at 11:50 PM.
Names x ed out to protect the innocent.
STATE VS. XXXXXXX
-- Case Detail --
Case #: M-52-TR-XXXXXXXX
Current Judge: JIM Xxxxxxxx
Case Status: CL FINAL CLOSED Status Date: 04/05/2005
Filing Date: 10/19/2004
Court: Magistrate Court
-- Parties to this Case --
DEFENDANT D 1 XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX
-- Register of Actions Activity --
Event Date Event Description P Type P Num Amt
04/05/2005 CLS: DISMISSED D 1
OFFCIER FTA
04/04/2005 CAL: TRIAL NON JURY
Calendar Posting on 03-03-2005
03/03/2005 NTC: OF TRIAL (CRIMINAL) D 1
04-04-05
9AM
03/02/2005 NOT GUILTY PLEA D 1
SENT IN NOT GUILTY PLEA
01/10/2005 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1 0.00
XXXXXXXX issued by xxxxxxx SANDY P (6022) NTC: CRIMINAL SUM
10/19/2004 OPN: CITATION FILED D 1
Citation C-xxxxxxxxx filed.
-- Judge Assignment History --
Assign Date Judge Name Sequence # Assignment Event Desc
10/19/2004 JIM xxxxxxxxx 1
-- Criminal Charge Details for --
Count Seq Charge Charge Dt Citation #
XXXXXXXXX xxxxxxxx D 1 1 1 66-7-301 (2)-SPEEDING (11-15 OVER LIMIT) 10/17/2004
Plea: N-NOT GUILTY Disp: 1A-CRB: DISMISSED BY PROSECUTOR Disp Date: 04/05/2005
Officer FTA...Failed to Appear...Dismissed.



