1995 Taurus stationwagon vs Dodge Hemi
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man what is this?is beating a hemi all you guys think about?I read another thread about a tarsus and a hemi pickup last night and had to reply.I am both a ford and mopar man now having recently purchased a bronco for a winter ride.My main vehicle is an 03 1500 laramie with a hemi.the only car I lost to off the line was a tarsus as embarassing as that sounds,granted my truck is a 4x4 quad cab hemi.It beat me fair and square but must say I had them side by side within an 1/8 of a mile but got out of it to avoid causing an accident but from the start i gave it all my hemi had.so what? It had to weigh alot less and I've heard stories about those tarsus 3.8 v6s,all of which say they are extreamly quick and also remember seeing a few tarsus police cars on the internet and in autotrader so they must have something special under the hood.Bottom line is I won't be fooled into lining up next to one again untill I get a chip and some flowmasters.I
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Originally Posted by FRECSF
It's called a Hemi because Chrysler owns the term. From my understanding only the earlier 50-60's hemi's were true Hemispherical anyway. The later 426 hemi was not completely hemispherical, it was just the top part of a hemispherical. It was slightly less than half. Hemi means half and the 426 was more like 90% of half a sphere.
Bottom line, just talking about the Hemi over and over again tells me a lot about it. There must be something to it as all you guys talk about is hemi this and hemi that.
Fact is, there are a lot of so called hemi heads out there but only one can be called a "hemi". Heck even Ford tried what is called the poor mans Hemi.
Ford has nothing to compete with the Hemi right now, neither does GM. Out of the three Chrysler is the only one that is massivbly producing a small block that puts out 420 HP naturally asperated. I don't believe GM has nor Ford. Move over or move on.
Bottom line, just talking about the Hemi over and over again tells me a lot about it. There must be something to it as all you guys talk about is hemi this and hemi that.
Fact is, there are a lot of so called hemi heads out there but only one can be called a "hemi". Heck even Ford tried what is called the poor mans Hemi.
Ford has nothing to compete with the Hemi right now, neither does GM. Out of the three Chrysler is the only one that is massivbly producing a small block that puts out 420 HP naturally asperated. I don't believe GM has nor Ford. Move over or move on.
LMAO!!! Not only can Ford get 385HP outta a N/A 330 CI motor but the GM LS1's and now LS2's make as much as the crrent Hemi. Good motor......nothing groundbreaking.
Poor man's hemi???? Your not talking about the better "semi-hemi" Ford BOSS 429?
The 426 was slightly trapezodial at the top, but the quench was at the top making for very inefficient massive domed pistons............Supercharging them or high compession and high octane fuels offset this.
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Originally Posted by moparfordman
man what is this?is beating a hemi all you guys think about?I read another thread about a tarsus and a hemi pickup last night and had to reply.I am both a ford and mopar man now having recently purchased a bronco for a winter ride.My main vehicle is an 03 1500 laramie with a hemi.the only car I lost to off the line was a tarsus as embarassing as that sounds,granted my truck is a 4x4 quad cab hemi.It beat me fair and square but must say I had them side by side within an 1/8 of a mile but got out of it to avoid causing an accident but from the start i gave it all my hemi had.so what? It had to weigh alot less and I've heard stories about those tarsus 3.8 v6s,all of which say they are extreamly quick and also remember seeing a few tarsus police cars on the internet and in autotrader so they must have something special under the hood.Bottom line is I won't be fooled into lining up next to one again untill I get a chip and some flowmasters.I
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Ford BOSS 429 HAULED!! The 426 wouldnt stand a chance. But I'm straying off a bit here. The big deal, that some people cant seem to gather, is all the hype this new dodge "hemi" has. It's supposed to be the baddest engine available in trucks right now, according to Dodge. Well this just isnt true. Some people also need to realize what is being said, of course the "hemi" would have caught up after a while, but the taurus would spank it off the line. The hp/weight ratio has almost everything to do with this. Argue all you want, but this is whats happens in the real world. Maybe we need a video??
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Nickfordman, why don't you tell us what those hp/weight ratios are? Maybe your saying the one with the highest lbs. to horsepower should be fastest? Not the last deciding factor, but come on, if your gonna use numbers...
Yes on the video.
RoboCop had a police Taurus.
Yes on the video.
RoboCop had a police Taurus.
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Alright, ya got me. I'm not about to go searching around for all of this useless info, as i really do not care that much, I just think this thread is interesting.
I tried to make a sort of, I dont know "blanket statement" saying it all boiled down to hp/weight ratios is not totally correct. The torque and gearing, powerband of the engine, the tranny's, etc... the list goes on. They all contribute. What I'm saying is that it is definately believable that a taurus had the hemi off the line. The 3.8 was a very quick motor, making peak torque extremely low for a gas engine. Overall, the more torque and the lower the gearing, the better the acceleration. I think we both know this. Now a light car, with peak torque available almost 2000 RPM lower than the "hemi" should be the undeniable victor in the street liht to street light race. Block to block. or in other words, NOT THE QUARTER MILE. Anything wrong with what I just said?
I tried to make a sort of, I dont know "blanket statement" saying it all boiled down to hp/weight ratios is not totally correct. The torque and gearing, powerband of the engine, the tranny's, etc... the list goes on. They all contribute. What I'm saying is that it is definately believable that a taurus had the hemi off the line. The 3.8 was a very quick motor, making peak torque extremely low for a gas engine. Overall, the more torque and the lower the gearing, the better the acceleration. I think we both know this. Now a light car, with peak torque available almost 2000 RPM lower than the "hemi" should be the undeniable victor in the street liht to street light race. Block to block. or in other words, NOT THE QUARTER MILE. Anything wrong with what I just said?
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Originally Posted by FRECSF
Ford has nothing to compete with the Hemi right now, neither does GM. Out of the three Chrysler is the only one that is massivbly producing a small block that puts out 420 HP naturally asperated. I don't believe GM has nor Ford. Move over or move on.
Nothing to compete? Sure, maybe in peak HP, or some other useless measurement, the "Hemi" has higher numbers... so what? When you're trying to pull a 10K trailer from a dead stop, you can have the highest HP numbers in the world and still not be able to budge it.
Who cares? The Hemi is not a truck engine, in any sense of the term, unless you have a 3000RPM stall torque converter, and then you'd need a tranny cooler that would take up the entire bed...
Forget HP numbers. Keeping torque equal, but higher RPM yields higher HP numbers - they don't mean anything. They are useless in trucks. The V10 has proven it's durability, strength and power. They just made it even better with the 3-valve.
Nothing to compete with? Sheesh... crawl out from under the Dodge rock once in a while.
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But wait.... the Ford V10 has nothing to compare with a Freightliner, as their engines make ALL 1,400 ft-lbs before 2,000 RPMS!!! 
If you're going to compare trucks, don't try to compare apples to oranges, they're different types of truck. What they're talking about is half ton, light duty trucks, not 3/4 or 1 ton trucks! How can you compare that! If you're gonna compare engines, compare it with the 5.4, not the V10!!!
If you're going to compare trucks, don't try to compare apples to oranges, they're different types of truck. What they're talking about is half ton, light duty trucks, not 3/4 or 1 ton trucks! How can you compare that! If you're gonna compare engines, compare it with the 5.4, not the V10!!!
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OK, the 5.4L now makes 80% of it torque down there too, I believe, with the 3-valve VVT.
My point was the "Ford has nothing to compete with the Hemi" comment - well, step up to a Superduty V10 and be done with it...
My point was the "Ford has nothing to compete with the Hemi" comment - well, step up to a Superduty V10 and be done with it...
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