Hey Max...Well, I tried to get everybody to take a deep breath and step back (very unusual for me) last night but that didn't work out to good. So I am just watching to see where it goes, too.

 

It will go good or I will close it...I am very tired of this

 

Heck! Just when we have with Ken's help, seem to have got the air clear.

 

BOB
NOT DOUBTING YOUR DYNO TEST, BUT AFTER HAVING RUN BOTH TUNERS, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THE SCMT DEFINITELY FEELS LIKE MORE POWER , ESPECIALLY IN THE ECONOMY OR MIDDLE SETTING THAN THE PREDATOR. I REALLY DONT THINK THEY ARE LYING ABOUT THEIR FIGURES, BUT REFER TO MAX OR PEAK GAINS. JUST MY OPINION BUT THE SCMT DEFINITELY FELT LIKE IT HAD MORE POWER.
MARK

 

I hope this topic goes away =o)

Mark, none of this is directed at you, I'm just tiffed and fed up with Bob's attacks.
I've been attacked about this since day one by a select few.

Hunter runs 14.33's with his 1704, which is typical.
I had a stock truck running 140+ mph (data acquisition) with the tune installed.
It makes the power.
Loaded in the tow program? It makes the power.

The predator has a higher spike in the powerband (which makes more power than stock throughout), but the scmt has a CONSIDERABLY longer powerband (which also makes more power than stock throughout)
They feel is different but end up with a similar result at the traps.

The SCMT makes more power loaded than unloaded (which is the intention, for pulling a trailer).

Basically, a few inertia pulls doesn't mean much!
If the predator makes 10 more HP in a VERY narrow area, but the SCMT makes more consistent power for much longer, you decide which is best for you!

Inertia is NOT the big picture, but if you want that, look here:

http://www.superchips.com/html/produ...0_dynoplot.htm

04 truck, inertia pulls, locked in 1:1 gear (5th according to labeling, 4th gear in sequence)

JD, Bob, it's literally spelled out right there.

The SCMT makes power.
The Predator makes power.
Both have their own following.
Those in "the know", know what the difference is, and there is a BIG difference. There is a BIG difference in what and how much is tuned.
Yes, I have seen the differences (as have others) myself in live testing.

Just so it is known.
I don't make a dollar more of less regardless of what tuner people buy.
I simply share my input.

I wish guys like JD and Bob would permanently get off my keester regarding this subject.
Your attacks hold no weight and it's really not called for.

You say I'm outright lying about power and you think it's not going to yield a confrontational response?

Again, I speak in this forum as a PERSON, not as a company or one who has an "interest" in products. I don't own stock in either company, I am paid a salary.

That salary has nothing to do with whether you buy an SCMT, pradator or whatever from motorhaven or any tuner supporting dealer.

I'm sick of that being brought up.
Take my data or leave it, but don't attack me.

 

I haven't been here for awhile, and really miss some of the drama that unfolds. PSD, I see you are using SCT and EDGE juice/attitude together, does this work well for you, and are you happy with the results?


have a great day!!


Tim

P.S. # or contact info for SCT?

 

SCT is 407-774-CHIP (2447)
They can make you a trans file to work with your box.

 

Thanks!!


Tim

 

One more thing.... can't we all just get along??!!

 

I was waiting on that one, almost posted the same thing in one of my prior posts

I didn't know if everyone would take it lightheartedly as it would have been intended.

 

Whoa there partner....
invite me out for a beer and then call me on the carpet
even after I admitted I was "tilted" on my friday night post ?
I didn't and never have attacked you...
nor will I...
I don't do that - I'm a nice guy

and like you I don't make a dime off this either
let's see, hmmm, $5 per post sounds good to me

all I've ever done is try to balance some of the rhetoric in the open forums...
but notice I stay out of two threads here by design?
The "I've got a problem with this horrible truck" thread and the SCMT thread....

I am glad to see some dyno graphs...
is this a year after I asked if there were any available?

if you REALLY read what I said, I was trying to help! really!

I'm relatively old to worry about changing ...
(and am where I wanna be in THIS life)
so have little incentive to change,
but saw some potential in you and tried to assist....
(and back int he day when I played and collected ball teams that went to nationals 5 years - I can tell u I have a fair eye for talent....)

Like you say, take it as you want....

and DO have a nice day - I am not dog piling - only offering a third party view... without any agnst....
now

 

Vic,

You need to back off a little bit. You come off with both barrels.

I agree with JD on his comeback.

I simply made a joke that we agreed on something once and you turned it into a challenge about what we don't agree on.

You say the 1704 doesn't leave a daisy or clover pattern on the pistons. When challenged you simply ignore it.

You need to engage in discussion and quit coming on so heavy.

Steve

 

Hi Mark,
very likely true if the middle settings are programed differently
am curious to know...
say the "middle" setting on the scmt is tuned for 85HP and the middle setting on the Predator is tuned for 65hp, then the SCMT would feel stronger...

but is it a valid comparison... not always to everyone...

all i can say personally is what my experience and the dyno in my gallery says...
my peak hp and torque at the rear wheels went up 100 hp... that's all I know...
and the extra 35 hp to me is not worth the extra fuel I use when in that 100hp mode...
the middle settting seems to give me MORE than enough to get by most "ricers" as some say

and like i said early on - I had the predator for a while and inquired about the scmt when it came out with the intent of acquiring it if the benifit to me was there....

I do agree that each revision of a product SHOULD be better than the last one and should improve the market for us all

 

Well, my frustration is that my hands are often tied.

I have hard data, files, plots,tests, etc... to back up what I post strongly about, but I am held under contract as to what I can share.
I come in here as a user like everyone else, and I just happen to be very informed on a lot of these subjects because it is literally what I do everyday.
There is some unbelieveably sloppy tuning out there, and I am exposed to it daily. You seriously may not believe some of what I see if unles you actually saw it.

I'm not going to post proprietary documents and research in an open forum.
I wish so badly that I could...
All that I ask is, whether you believe me or not, please do not accuse me of fallacy.
My position is a rather frustrating one...
I do not state anything as fact unless it has been tested.
I am very passionate about my job and very passionate when it comes to accuracy. No matter how good something is, it can be better..so I'm always chasing it.

Any speculation is stated as such.

Just a point of view not directed at anyone:

In general, we as people have a problem with information...we can't handle it.
If someone shares information they don't need to share, they are immediately attacked for not sharing ENOUGH.

A really silly (almost stupid) example, but a good one:
What was that movie Travolta was in where he had special powers? Phenomenon was it?

He kept quiet to himself and when he shared a little info, he was immediately attacked and people demanded an explanation.
They neglected to see that he didn't want anything from anyone and just wanted to share a little.

Such is life in every aspect....from tuning to government and everything in between.

Could you imagine the circus that would follow if the government released any information on life outside earth?
Thats why, if they have it, they will never tell.
People can't handle SOME info, they want it all, and if the results don't please them, it's incorrect.

This is how I often feel.