Yep...............

 

Cool, just wanted to make sure I hadn't made you mad, I was trying to regurgitate what I had heard certainly not from experience, but after the recent points made and after talking to SOMEBODY at motorhaven... I think I'll actually go with the Predator.

Going to go pick up the truck in an hour .... y

 

Good luck....
Hey, that's what research is about....
and fyi...
very few things on here makes me mad.... some of the troll statements warm me up sometimes... but hey - it's winter - that's a good thing :-)

and I LIKE this place so I wanna keep it helpful to ME as well as others !!!

 

The fact of the matter is I don't think any programmer will disappoint a customer. They all have their positives and negatives. Competition is good for the products.

 

Not just RPM, but also MPH. MPH is the primary decision for shifting at part throttle.

 

Unless, the logic is changed within the program.
Ahhh, that's part of the ticket =o)

 

Bob.
I do believe you are stepping out of line.
Moderators?

This post is outright unacceptable and unprofessional.
The plots are available.
Check those 1/4 mile times.

If I'm not mistaken, you still have never driven a truck with the tuner you so openly bash, nor have you seen the kind of "loaded" power it makes.

I am VERY careful what I say when I post and so should you.
I must say, I am disappointed.

Why don't you come down, and I'll SHOW you some of the parameters changed and take you for a ride?

Would you like to see the equipment I've used and the 1/4 million dollar dyno with test profiles used to test?
I can constantly monitor EGT, boost, line pressure, injectore timing, ANY engine or trans parameter.

Lets be nice here!

 

Bob, I think you know that I think of you quite highly, but I am not sure that comment was neccessary.

From everything I have seen personally (and yes, I have acculmuated quite a bit of custom tuning equipment for these trucks, and have taken a close look at the interal coding of many of the products on the market) noone here from SC has been lying about anything. I can send screenshots of information proving the difference between the transmission profiles of the Predator and SCMT, and IMO the methods used by SC are far superior to that of DiabloSport.

As for data aquisition, yes, many tests have been run. Many SCT dealers (including the one that did my intial base files) cylinder pressure test each tune on a truck with an identical processor before the file is ever sent out to the customer. As far as I am concerned, and this is just my opinion- it can be taken for what it is worth- the Predator DOES use too much injector timing, DOES ramp the timing too early in the powerband, DOES run too hot for the amount of power that it makes, DOES have some very questionable cylinder pressure spikes, and DOES NOT shift as well as competing products.

Every drop of information I stated in my earlier post came from testing that either I have done personally, on my vehicle, or data that has been derived from personal friends of mine at SCT (NOT affilated with Superchips, Inc.)

If anyone wishes not to believe me, I will certainly not flame them. Everyone is entitled to thier own experience and beliefs.

 

I mentioned these changes earlier, but I'm not sure anyone really noticed...

 

Lets start this thread fresh with a friendlier tone.

Bob, no disrespect on my part, you have simply not been fully informed on how the programming works, and I can assure you that I have tested it painstakingly, logging all data.

I can only be so specific (especially in an open forum) because I can't just say "Go to address 540A and change this byte to this and this byte to this and remap this table here".

I just can't share that type of information.

 

Sometimes FTE feels like hearding cats....

 

Indeed it is =o)

Lets just keep it friendly!

 

Chris from SCT and I had spent a lot of time (a while back) working on the 6.0 and exchanging information (which is part of why there are similarities with the SCT and SCMT).

There are some differences in each companies products, basically just due to different taste, but the logic behind it is the same.

 

Too many supposed experts out there.... everyone thumps their chest about certain products, because they have a financial interest or because its the product they bought.

I hear people talk up the SCMT:
Well... its got a great shift but many customers prefer the way the Predator builds up power. Suffers from poor diagnostics and no web updates.

I hear people talk up the Predator:
Great power all the way around but there is a slight learning curve with the tranny and some people don't prefer its shift for extreme towing. Web updates and great diagnostics.

I hear people talk up the SCT:
Great power, tons of it, but it has horrible throttle feel for many customers, though they are supposed to be addressing that soon. No diagnostics, but your tuner can email you tunes. Great for wide open driving, not as much fun for lots of part throttle stop and go.

EGTs:
All of them run safe EGTs, especially considering that indications, IMO, are the 6.0 handles EGT better.

So before everyone gets into a peeing contest, be careful because I deal with all three products and I can pour some pee on everyone of them, as well as heap praise on them all. They are all great products, each with some market overlap, plus each with their own niche.

 

I think this is a big key here.

Some like a higher spike, some like a longer powerband, some like and inline device.


Try them all!