Hydro-cylinders?
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Originally Posted by KubotaOrange76
2.0 is a waste for assist, 1.5 is plenty for hydr assist, i would only go with a 2.0 for full hydroim using the 1.5x8 from rocklogic 4x4....theres no reason to use a huge one with hydro assist...this one has all the darn power i need.
one day... we will ride together again!
you just wait till i get my g/n 
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my 1.5 doesnt have any problems manhandling the 44's, i just didnt wanna do the 2 inch cause you gotta have more volume....so you gotta mod your pump....and that makes it less reliable.
if i lose a hose on the trail....my trail fix is to take them both off and put 1/4 npt plugs in the ports on the box
YES one day.....we really need to hit up telli
if i lose a hose on the trail....my trail fix is to take them both off and put 1/4 npt plugs in the ports on the box
YES one day.....we really need to hit up telli
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I went to a hydro shop told them what I wanted todo. took all my parts in there so they could get the proper sizes. they handed me everything and I walked out after paying for it all.
I got fittings that are reusable and about 10 extra feet of hose. my ram can turn a bit slow @ idle but it is far worth it.
Kubota are you running a open front diff and what kind of wheeling do you do?
I got fittings that are reusable and about 10 extra feet of hose. my ram can turn a bit slow @ idle but it is far worth it.
Kubota are you running a open front diff and what kind of wheeling do you do?
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i got my hoses and fittings from Fastenal but i haven't had good luck with them yet. i ordered all the stuff about 2 months ago and they still haven't gotten my hose right! hell last week they sent me 3/8" hose and tried to convince me that it was 1/4" until i showed them the fittings wouldn't fit (dumba$ses)
if i had to redo it i would order from surplus center
kubota (or the famed name Ho ) is running welded front detroit rear with 44" TSL's. he does a good bit of mud but also plenty of trail riding.... that about right chris?
dude... i told you i am going up this weekend all you have to do is say "let's go" and we will! i mean we have 50 acres and a good sized barn already built with all the luxury's of home! in fact thats where we are keeping the motorhome right now is in the barn!
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if i had to redo it i would order from surplus center
kubota (or the famed name Ho
) is running welded front detroit rear with 44" TSL's. he does a good bit of mud but also plenty of trail riding.... that about right chris?dude... i told you i am going up this weekend all you have to do is say "let's go" and we will! i mean we have 50 acres and a good sized barn already built with all the luxury's of home! in fact thats where we are keeping the motorhome right now is in the barn!
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When yall way it turnos slow, does that mean you turn the wheel and hte tires lag behind and have to catch up, or you turn the wheel as fast as you can, but the ram puts resistance against the wheel?
How much slower will the 2"x8" be than a factory C11 pump on PS?
BTW, I got the TSC 2x8" ram like fishy's, theyre hella stout...
How much slower will the 2"x8" be than a factory C11 pump on PS?
BTW, I got the TSC 2x8" ram like fishy's, theyre hella stout...
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it just means it doens't have a fast response. like it won't let you turn but only so fast.
i have no idea about your pump question but my guess is that it will be a good bit slower than the sag pump. also i have heard they aren't quite as reliable.
hell yea man... thats why i got it, i find it hard to believe that i will ever be able to break it
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i have no idea about your pump question but my guess is that it will be a good bit slower than the sag pump. also i have heard they aren't quite as reliable.
hell yea man... thats why i got it, i find it hard to believe that i will ever be able to break it
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im rnning a welded front 60.....being slow is pretty much when your trying to turn the wheel quick, but it wont turn as fast as you would like, the hydro cylinder is aking for more flow than your pump can give it in that instance
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What I mean twas how much slower would the 2" ram w/ a sag be than the factory setup...
The interior volume is determined by a few things, like shaft thickness and piston width, so 2" or 1.5" really just depends on the cylinder. They are getting 2" I.D. right?
The interior volume is determined by a few things, like shaft thickness and piston width, so 2" or 1.5" really just depends on the cylinder. They are getting 2" I.D. right?
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Well, I got bored at the allergist's, so
A 1.5x8" ram has approx. 33.2744 at full compression (volume remaining around the cylinder rod - internal at full compression), and 44.368 ci at full extension (cylinder rod external at full extension).
A 2" ram has aprox. 53.92 ci at full compression, and 78.8768 ci at full extension (cylinder rod external at full extension).
This means that The ram:ram ratio of volume and operation speed will be approx. 1.6:1 during the compression stroke and exactly the same during the extension stroke. That is 3/5's slower in operation. Probably too slow for me, its a DD...
Well, where to get a 1.5" ram? Or can I still do the 2"?
A 1.5x8" ram has approx. 33.2744 at full compression (volume remaining around the cylinder rod - internal at full compression), and 44.368 ci at full extension (cylinder rod external at full extension).
A 2" ram has aprox. 53.92 ci at full compression, and 78.8768 ci at full extension (cylinder rod external at full extension).
This means that The ram:ram ratio of volume and operation speed will be approx. 1.6:1 during the compression stroke and exactly the same during the extension stroke. That is 3/5's slower in operation. Probably too slow for me, its a DD...
Well, where to get a 1.5" ram? Or can I still do the 2"?
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beef your pump to push out more fluid. go to West Texas Offroad and read over a few ways to raise your GPM.
a 2" bore cylinder will have the same response as a 1.5" bore cylinder with stock pump and the 2" will push a good bit harder!
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a 2" bore cylinder will have the same response as a 1.5" bore cylinder with stock pump and the 2" will push a good bit harder!
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In theory it should go 3/5's slower than a 1.5" ram. This would only become not true if the lines or fittings going from the pump to the gearbox or gearbox to cylinder, cylinder volume or entry ports caused a good amount of restriction. Then the greater volume would allow to fill up easier, but the fittings and lines would still be restricting flow...
Ive already seen that link to WTO, but Ive decided not to do that upgrade - although simple, it would probably cause problems later on while offroading...
Edit: I reread the WTO link and I may do the first mod listed on there, as it is the simplest and easiest - not to mention most reliable and least liable to cause damage. It would also be easy to replace on the trail were it to fail. (This is the mod where you drill out the HP fitting to no more than 5/32"). I believe the owner of WTO is Daniel Little (TheLakeRat@ aol.com), anyways, he advises to only do the first step if you are running hydro assist.
I am still a little weary of doing that mod, because I have heard of gearbox failure due to too much pressure or maybe just too much volume of fluid traveling through too rapidly (unsure?). The first mod, of boring out the HP line fitting, only increases flow, not increase of pressure, correct?
Edit 2: Daniel little is USA6x6 owner - Matt Hodges is the Redneck Ram guy...
Ive already seen that link to WTO, but Ive decided not to do that upgrade - although simple, it would probably cause problems later on while offroading...
Edit: I reread the WTO link and I may do the first mod listed on there, as it is the simplest and easiest - not to mention most reliable and least liable to cause damage. It would also be easy to replace on the trail were it to fail. (This is the mod where you drill out the HP fitting to no more than 5/32"). I believe the owner of WTO is Daniel Little (TheLakeRat@ aol.com), anyways, he advises to only do the first step if you are running hydro assist.
I am still a little weary of doing that mod, because I have heard of gearbox failure due to too much pressure or maybe just too much volume of fluid traveling through too rapidly (unsure?). The first mod, of boring out the HP line fitting, only increases flow, not increase of pressure, correct?
Edit 2: Daniel little is USA6x6 owner - Matt Hodges is the Redneck Ram guy...
Last edited by RawPower; Mar 10, 2005 at 10:57 PM.