FE446 Shagged again :-(
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FE446 Shagged again :-(
Well, I got to looking into the smoking issue. Thinking it was an intake gasket failure. And that may be the case...But, I may have found soemthing much worse. The Erson rocker stands appear to "tweaked", for lack of a better word. I may have torqued them too much at about 50ft-lbs...
This blows...It may be the last straw...watch out eBay.
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/69f250/ersonfubar.htm
This blows...It may be the last straw...watch out eBay.
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/69f250/ersonfubar.htm
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Greg, not to p%SS you off anymore than you probably already are but... I think that 50 ft. lbs may have been a little much. I can't remember exactly but I think the factory torque specs are like 30 to 35. I know your frustrated but look at it this way. You are learning if anything and gaining knowledge. I just wish you the best of luck and hope that you can afford to not give up on your FE and your old Fords in general. Hang in there bud.
JC
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The Erson instructions say to use the Cylinder head torque specs for the stand studs The Edelbrock instructions say to go 40-45 ft-lbs. I think I was around 45-50 ft-lbs. You would think they would have a little more room than that to work with before things started falling apart :-(
I sent the pics and infor to Erson. We'll see what they have to say. They look like they had a split in the stands...it's too clean to be break, in my opinion. I don't understand why they would have that split.
I would explore using the new Crane stands/shafts/rockers, but they probably changes my custom pushrod length...
I sent the pics and infor to Erson. We'll see what they have to say. They look like they had a split in the stands...it's too clean to be break, in my opinion. I don't understand why they would have that split.
I would explore using the new Crane stands/shafts/rockers, but they probably changes my custom pushrod length...
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Originally Posted by Scouder
Greg,
Give me a call. I have a set of 390 spaced Ersons with virtually no miles.
307-679-1191.
-Scouder
Give me a call. I have a set of 390 spaced Ersons with virtually no miles.
307-679-1191.
-Scouder
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Are those spaced for the Edelbrocks or standard 390 heads?
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Well Greg, I feel for ya Bro.... I wish I still had my Milling machine..Shoot it wouldnt take no time at all to machine another stand cap....And I am suprised they even called for 40 to 45ft lbs..
Hell when you install head studs in the block I think there only 10 to 12ft lbs....
I'am sure Brian saw the pics and knows just what ya need...and I hope you told erson..that you installed them as required??
I wish ya luck Bro.. and keep us posted!!
Russ
Hell when you install head studs in the block I think there only 10 to 12ft lbs....
I'am sure Brian saw the pics and knows just what ya need...and I hope you told erson..that you installed them as required??
I wish ya luck Bro.. and keep us posted!!
Russ
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I run the wide Dove set up on my race car. I use the supplied stud kit also. I only put 42 lbs on them. I would think you would pull the helicoils before you could do damage like that!! 
The story I hear about guys running enough spring that they pull things apart. It almost looks like things were moving around, causing the top of stand to pull over?? With the aluminum being squashed around where the nut/washer was riding, something looks wrong.
The one thing I notice about that setup is it does not have any stucture at the end for stability like the Dove unit. Dove runs a special nut on end head stud that you slip stand over and it does a good job of keeping things from walking around. I can get a pic of my set up if you would like to see the difference.
Hope you can get that figured out.
The story I hear about guys running enough spring that they pull things apart. It almost looks like things were moving around, causing the top of stand to pull over?? With the aluminum being squashed around where the nut/washer was riding, something looks wrong.The one thing I notice about that setup is it does not have any stucture at the end for stability like the Dove unit. Dove runs a special nut on end head stud that you slip stand over and it does a good job of keeping things from walking around. I can get a pic of my set up if you would like to see the difference.
Hope you can get that figured out.
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Originally Posted by Freightrain
With the aluminum being squashed around where the nut/washer was riding, something looks wrong.
-Scouder
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With the stands all level on a table, are they all in a line, or is the outside rocker/stand support bent up?? I know that he does not have alot of spring, and does not turn this hard enough to do that kind of damage, but it seems that the whole assy is trying to walk around, thus bending the support over under the weight of the nut holding it down.
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spring pressure is 430+ lbs at full open...
I do believe they are bent. I'll put them on a flat surface to confirm...
I was telling Brian that I have an idea what 90-100 ft-lbs of torque is, because of the head bolts. And, there is no way I accidentally torqued those to anywhere in that range.
I was not running any washers on the studs. The washers that came with the stud kit did not fit between the rockers/stands. I don't see how that could be the problem. Maybe not enough surface area used under the nut...I dunno.
Brian, did you find washers that fit? If so, where?
I do believe they are bent. I'll put them on a flat surface to confirm...
I was telling Brian that I have an idea what 90-100 ft-lbs of torque is, because of the head bolts. And, there is no way I accidentally torqued those to anywhere in that range.
I was not running any washers on the studs. The washers that came with the stud kit did not fit between the rockers/stands. I don't see how that could be the problem. Maybe not enough surface area used under the nut...I dunno.
Brian, did you find washers that fit? If so, where?
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I put up some more pics. On second look, the shafts and stands look pretty straight except for teh obvious deformation at the stud/stand area.
look here at the bottom for more pice of the stands. also see pics of the Fel-pro itake gaskets:
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/69f250/ersonfubar.htm
look here at the bottom for more pice of the stands. also see pics of the Fel-pro itake gaskets:
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/69f250/ersonfubar.htm
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Greg,
I had a set of studs that came with a previous purchase of used parts. They had washers and nuts with them. I like the idea of washers if only for the reason that they protect the aluminum from galling.
-Scouder
I had a set of studs that came with a previous purchase of used parts. They had washers and nuts with them. I like the idea of washers if only for the reason that they protect the aluminum from galling.
-Scouder