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A big reason why they still sell so well to police departments is that they like the handling of a larger V8 car compared to the smaller V6 Front wheel drive offerings. This is a big reason why the new Impala never really took off either. Dodge is now offering a HEMI powered Magnum Police vehicle with heavy duty suspensions, cooling, and tranny's. I think the Charger may also be offered. I'd like to see how these do with the departments.
When the State Police here in Virginia went to the Impala, they were required to take a 3 day course on how to drive the FWD cars. They said the Impalas had plenty of power but not enough room in them to carry everything they needed. They also sit very low to the ground with the weight of their equipment.
Please don't confuse resale value when it comes to classic cars. It does not apply. Classic are priced based on rarity, documentation and how many people want it. A olds sold for 3.2 mill this year at Barret-Jackson. Why, its a one of. In the case of the high priced mopars they are Hemi Cuda's I think and there are only 4 known to exist. Correct me if I'm wrong on the Cuda part I know the number is correct.
tmyers, I agree with your statement.
This is more directly targeted to bluegrasmtns. How about the pinto or tempo. Does that mean that everything Ford produces is junk? Obviously you don't know much about the KCar.
That is why blanket statements like "Dodge has a history of overhyped junk that has no resale value" has no place in a logical discussion.
Fact is everyone produces "junk". I have heard of people refinacing their Hemi Rams for more money than they payed. Some talk about resale as if it is the absolute qauge to measure quality, it is not, just like number of sales is not an absolute qauge to measure quality.
60's Classic MOpars like Roadrunner and Challengers probably do sell well. but for the general buying public you can't honestly say that Kcars, voyagers, Aries, Cirrus, Stratus Volare aspen, and newer cars like intrepids hold resale value, which is to what I am referring.
I have know several people who have been tempted by the deals that dodge makes, only to have it bite them when they go to trade off
Go check resale value of the Taurus, Escort, Contour, Focus, Aspire and come back .
Originally Posted by bluegrasmtns
500-volvo architecture-cant go wrong, looks great to me will hold up forever and not so weird looking
Has volvo been known for great quality and reliabitity? Check on that one too.
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A little known fact is there are where 11 super charged Shelby 350's built. Only 2 are known to exist and they are not in running condition. I had a chance at one of these 5 years ago. It was all there but a total basket case. 25k to trailer it home. This car though if properly restored would be worth lots. Every manufacture has cars like this and these cars are the cars that bring the big money. You just need to know what to look for and hope the guy selling it dosen't.
Somehow I find this hard to believe, and secondly, I'd think that Carrol Shelby would have one in his collection.
Has volvo been known for great quality and reliabitity? Check on that one too.
YES!!!
I would appreciate if you could find any supporting documents stating that Volvo is unreliable.
Volvo's of any description in my experience are built to a very high standard of quality, and EXTREMELY reliable.
I have been around some very reliable volvo's. But from recent experience trying to sell one for a friend -1996 850- I've come to realize that Volvo's have plenty of issues (not just this car, I looked online and spoke to Volvo tech's when trying to sell this car)- motor mounts, bad A/C, timing belts go at 70k miles, sensors fail often, come to mind.
He likes Ford as well. Thats why he is here. His input is well thoughtout unlike yours. I haven't seen anything from you on this forum that has contained FACTUAL information, or any information (statistics to back up what you say. All you do is bash Chrysler, which by the way is against forum rules. If you don't have something nice to say, or have no input that has any baring on the discussion........don't post. Simple as that.
Statements like:
Chrysler is know for making such and such products...
or
All Mopars are such and such...
There is nothing to be accomplished by bashing continuously. If you want to do that go out with a buddy fishing and bash Mopar all you want. Don't come here with nothing but crap and cause trouble for members, and the hard working moderators that run this great site.
Sorry for the rant. I have just found the last few posts by this gentleman a little disturbing.
Back on topic.
Volvo, from what I have read, and heard, make extremely reliable cars. One of Volvo's top priorities for sure. That doesn't mean the 500 will hold up like a Volvo, nor does the 300 having Mercedes genes mean that either.
About resale value on Musclecars. Like tmyers said....it simply does not apply to them. The value is determined by rarity of the car. A Hemi Superbird is gonna easily rake in upwards 150k. Only 77 Hemi Birds made. Certainly a rare item. (almos fainted at the site of one watching Barrett-Jackson on TV)
tmyers.
I think your Cuda numbers are a bit off. I'm pretty sure they made more than 4 of them, and there would certainly be more than 4 know to exist to this date. Hemi Cuda convertibles are a different story.
A very, long time ago, my grandfather had a Hemi Cuda convertible (extremely rare car) at his dealership. It was never driven, usually sat in the showroom being used as a dog kennel. He finally sold it for 17k. He thought he was on top of the world after that deal. He recently heard word about that same car being worth over 100k. To me 4 sounds real close to the number of Hemi Cuda convertibles that were made.
The thing is, people never lined up for Hemi Cudas like they did other Mopars back in the day. Thats why we see so little of them around now, and the reason they are worth so much. I will hook over to allpar and see if I can get any numbers on Hemi Cudas for you. Im 99% sure that there were more than 4 regular Hemi Cudas made from 70-71. Definately under 10 made.
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Okay, howzabout Volkswagen, do you have a problem with Volkswagen? is there another automaker you like besides Chrysler?
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I don't know what you said before, but I personaly have owned plenty of Fords- 1991 Ford Mustang GT, 1992 Ford Taurus, 1992 Ford Bronco, 1994 Ford Explorer, currently- 1989 Ford mustang Gt, 1994 Ford F150. So yes, I do like Ford, but as of late, I think other manufacturers have something better to offer. As for bigF350, he changed his post that I responded to. I, unlike many others on this board, respect what the other manufacturers have to offer, and am not blinded by pure bias towards one brand, because I know one thing- No matter who makes my car, they are all in it for the money at the end of the day, whoever makes the best product for what I WANT AND NEED, will earn my hard earned dollars.
As a matter of fact, if you really want to know my stand on VW- I owned, and gave my 96 VW Jetta to my girlfriend- At 78K miles I had to replace 2 rear wheel bearings, an upper exhaust pipe (connects to the manifold from the cat, is very common), an 02 sensor, and is now having a hard time starting during cold weather-it constantly floods itself. Among other things, the current Jetta and Golf are among the highest recalled and repaired vehicles made. They've had a lot of issues with their electrical systems. On top of that, my girlfriends best friend has a 99 Audi A4 and has had a lot of electrical sensor problems and a control arm replacement. So no, I don't think VW is a very reliable car either-its called research, do it.
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As for bigF350, he changed his post that I responded to.
I didn't change my post (well I don't think I did), it is the same as I remember it, but I digress.
I, unlike many others on this board, respect what the other manufacturers have to offer, and am not blinded by pure bias towards one brand, because I know one thing- No matter who makes my car, they are all in it for the money at the end of the day, whoever makes the best product for what I WANT AND NEED, will earn my hard earned dollars.
I personally like to think that I am not "blinded by pure bias", Yes, I do like Fords (I have a good reason too...), but I have a lot of respect for most automotive manufacturers.
Volvo, in my experience engineer a car like few other companies.
Do NOT be TOO proud of this technological terror you've created Mr. Shelby...hiss.. The ability to destroy a multitude of competitors in a race - is insignificant compared to the power of the force....hiiissss.
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