Many years ago, freezing my butt off on the flight line, I was a crew chief on a UH-1 "Huey" helicopter. During engine start I was required to be ourtside as "fire guard". When the pilots were all complete with the pre-flight checklist they were waiting for the "all clear" from me that indicated the main rotor and tail rotor we un-tied, all the "remove before flight" pins, covers and flags were removed, everybody was "clear" and the engine could be started. Once the beast fired up, I did my personel "final" inspection to see if we could survive another 2 hours defying several laws of physics and nature. I would tell the pilots "1 burning, 2 turning!" and climb aboard.

Most every winter morning as I approach my V10 very Tall, very long Superduty, the memory takes me back, I briefly check her over visualy, noting that there is air in all 4 tires and mother nature and thieves let her alone for another night. As I turn the key I briefly halt just shy of ignition and watch the all the lights light and each change or go away. Twist the key a smidge more and the motor flips to life and the tach runs up to over 1300, and slowly settles back to 950-1100. As I slip the huge truck into go forward mode I silently tell the pilot "10 Burning, 4 turning, lets go defy mother nature some more!"

Every day I have owned the 01 V10 and now this 05 V10 SuperDuty I have aquired BSEG by the end of my 500 foot driveway. Some mornings I slip in the soundtrack from Apocalypse Now The Ride Of The Valkyries Feels just like dipping the nose forward and transitioning into forward flight!

 

fredvon
i love that one! for me my military days would be more like 8 port burning, 8 starboard burning, 16 burning 2 turning. 2 -903 t's running and 2 props turning. 47 underway, navy/coast guard man here

 

I am no good in the artist skills but would love to have a decal made some day with a V10 motor side/front view with flames spewing out of 5 short pipes surrounded by 4 monster tires billowing smoke with "10 Burning 4 Turning" under.

one of these days I will drag/troll the net for the old "Rat Fink" Ed Roth Flaming V8 side view I am remembering and see if I can morph it to 10 cylinders

Kinda like

http://www.coolstufftoys.com/images15/printbigdady100ford.JPG

or

http://www.coolstufftoys.com/images1...rdsbadboys.JPG

One of my old favorites

http://www.coolstufftoys.com/images1...rdeatchevy.JPG

 

captchas

Thats sounds like a CG 378 or 210

Denny

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7950129247&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT

If the link don't work go to eaby and search ford v10 you will find the decal.

i am gunna buy this guys sticker here its huge, i asked him if he could make the "10 burning 4 turning" one i'll let ya know what he says.

 

just a 47mlb, reserve retired 13 aug 04

 

FredVon,
Wonderful anecdote, reads like a story board for a great Ford truck commercial! (Really, someone should call!)

 

ok got a response back from the guy who makes the decals

"hello i can make this for you,.......would you like it all in a straight line or like the inside type decals .....what size and color would you like,..........thank you,.michael"

Now we need your input how should this decal look? size shape color font etc.... I have also givin the link to this thread to the decal creator so he can follow along with your suggestions/comments. now is a good time for a great new product i believe with one hell of a catch phrase which i think will catch on very quickly and just so you know i am not affiliated with the decal maker at all, just a buyer of one of his products.

 

Go to

http://www.ultimatedecals.com/letter.php

and play around until you find a size and color combination you like
The have some ideas under automotive logos but no SuperDuty things I like

If I can get the art work for the V10 and smoking tires they way I envision it a service like this might be the way I go. Still searching for the right image of a V8 or V10 on steroids to capture and morph.

 

Way cool idea! Seems to me that you have to emphasize the 10 cylinders. Even if you morph a V8 or find a picture of a V10, you would have to look close to see that there are 10 cylinders. Since the picture of the V10 will be exaggerated, maybe have the 10 pistons popping thru the heads; or maybe 10 oversize sparkplugs, or something like that to emphasize the 10 cylinders. I'm sure others on here can come up with more imaginative pictures than the lame ones I came up with.

 

I'm not an engineer, just a BSEG 3V V10 driver. This is my "common sense" understanding of the reasons for the V10's performance. The reason for the impressive low end torque of both the 5.4L and 6.8L is stroke. Conventional wisdom is longer stroke motors make big torque. I have a FRPP catalog with a chart giving engine dimensions for most Ford engines in recent history, including the hot rodded 427, 428, 429, and 460 variatants. The 5.4 and 6.8 have the longest stroke listed. Big torque is the good side of a long stroke. The bad side is higher piston velocities at high RPM. This puts more strain on the parts and limits RPM's and high end HP. One way to mitigate this is to spread the strain over more parts. If we had a V8 with the same stroke, but a bigger bore to make the same displacement as our V10's each connecting rod would bear 125% as much strain at the same RPM. We've got more displacement, more torque, more power than the 5.4L but with no more strain on the parts.

 

Great post redhawk44

I wonder some times how many folks get the engineering impacts of Ford modular engine shift. I also know that we can forget about Ford jumping up the V10 much beyond current power levels. I doubt the stresses of much more torque and piston speeds can be handled by the powered iron rods.

This is one of the real reasons I have not experimented with "exotic" modifications. I am the kind of engine builder who always tried to improve on the "facotry" design and remove typical manufacturing flaws induced by lazy assembelrs. What is loosly refered to a "blueprinting".

I have proved to myself too many time that you could simply "balance" most factory production motors in the 60s, 70s and 80s and free up enough HP to make it worth the trouble. The two modular motors of the 90s that I tore down were too close to factory spec to bother with.

 

Well thought out post..........but I respectfully disagree.

I believe the supercharged Lightning uses the same reciprocating(sp?) parts as the V10 with power levels exceeding the 6.8. (even if torque is close, it's a V8)

I can't wait till a magazine (usually the Mustang mags) pulls a 3 valve head to explore its potential(or lack thereof) because the heads IMHO will be the power limiting factor.

It was pointed out to me by a member here (mustangV10 ?) that the new V10 doesn't use the VVT.

I would think that torque could only increase by utilizing some low RPM velocity increasing technology like VVT.

Mixed emotions on too much electro/hydraulic stuff going on under the hood, but if VVT 3 valve added 30#'s of torque to 4.6/5.4 I could see at least that gain with the V10.................500 pound feet of torque has a nice ring to it!!!

 

Remember, brother Ford has to play the EPA Total Emmissions game and is kinda limited in how hot they can make a design now. Not that I have seen the gutz yet, but I understand that one of the key changes in the 3v V10 in 05 is a VARIABLE volume Plenum. And they specifically state it is for low rpm torque to be 65-80% of peak. My 3v V10 motor has a very different plastic intake system than my 01 2v V10 did. In front there is a computer controlled mechanical actuator that swings a internal damper to adjust plenum volume and intake charge flow velocities.

Trust me the 3v V10 and 5R110 and 4.30:1 with medium tall tires has a serious launch. The down low up to 3500rpm performance moving 8000lbs+\- from a stop up to 40mph before the next light suprises the hell out of me. But also remember that one of the engineered benifits of a torque converter is that initial slippage up to stall speed not only generates great gobbs of heat but while doing that it torque multiplys like crazy.

I won't bet you on it but I do know Ford has seriously re-thought the sintered iron rods (PSDs were breaking a lot of rods) and I have a sneaky feeling the High HP low production motors (lightning, cobra, GT) do NOT have production rods and pistons or rings.

I stopped following Fords SHO/SVT efforts years ago when the children became drivers and the insurance companies got smart. I can afford most of the hot Fords but noit the insurance load.

Also remember that the blowers on most of these production vehicles are on an engine with yet lower still cylinder head preasures and compression ratios. And yes the 3 valve impacts compression ratio mechanicaly and can be tuned to help boost torque and HP production.

Another consideration for us non-engineer typs but who have school of hard knoks experiance. Ford has never done a good job in head design and exhaust valve/port shrouding on most of the aluminum heads I have played with. And they are very stingy with base material in important transition high heat transfer areas.

I love the motor as it is designed, do not get me wrong. But I am one of those stupid idiots who always wants to make it better. Unfortunatly I am in a segment of life and experiance that I am hamstrung by "bang for the Buck" criteria.

I would like to get a used up but not terminal 2 V V10 with PI heads and run the math for Open up the heads to flow 30% or more above factory, cam grinds, lightly destroked, higer wrist pin pistons, twin intercooled turbos and computer controlled wast gates. Up around 75--85--rpm she need to make about 1000hp.

Of course I would stuff my 975HP monstor motor in a 1959 Cadillac 2 door Deville Mated to a BorgWarner Super T10 out to a gearvenders Over under unit and back to 4.88s spinning tubbed inside to the pumpkin drag meats.

However there are literally no vendors doing internals except "one off" big buck custom work. I am sorry but $690 for a custom cam on my Harley type drag bike was enough for my wife to look at the little piece and ask "Gold or Platinum?" She is a motor head too and we both are retires Army helicopter mechanics with pretty good technical and wrenching skills.

I guess to keep the thread relevant about why the V10?

Compared to other designes by all manufactures the Ford V10 comes as close to right HP and troque for the best all around use of these trucks. Hell I have one now that will spend very little of it's life towing anything bigger than my fat behind back and forth to work in comfort, safety, style, Cool V10 bages.

 

Fred, ex USAF jet engine mechanic here.

I "believe" the Lightning's rods are same old, same old but if they are upgraded they're still off the shelf items if we're worried. Ford also sourced Carrillo for the 5.4 in the Cobra R. Agreed on the EPA stuff, but the over 8600# crowd is still a little less stringent.

I currently have the 4.30's in my 2v V10 and for some strange reason I could only order the 4.10's in my new V10 Harley??????

What would be waaaay cool is if Ford would give us a FRPT(God I hate that acronym) 4 valve head for the V10. Off road use only of course!!

Dude, quit trying to make a pig fly with the Harley!! J/K!!

I got myself the ZX12R for my adrenline rushes on the street. Unbelievable the lack of sensation at speed.