V10 vs. Diesel
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cc322: I filled up Mobey today $1.82.9 per gallon for Diesel!! Reg Gas was $1.79.9!! For the last 9 years on average the price of Diesel has been (Down Here in SouthEast Georgia) $.20 lower than gas, even during the winters!! only one time before this time has it been higher than Gas and that was in September 1996!!
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Good points and if you look, most all V10 owners in these discussions say the same thing exactly. The cost benifit rartio is directly tied to the lifetime expected usage of the Diesel. You do a "post for post" averaging on every V10 MPG claim here and at the diesel site, and you will see that we mostly claim 11-13mpg. Your math is only relevant to YOU! Your 9 year experiance is not true for the rest of us.
To amplify, you claim that we wish we got 13mpg and then use the 13mpg in your math but inflate the cost of regular to $2.00 per gallon. Here in Central Texas the higest in last 9 years is $1.79 and low was $0.74c and I did not keep records back that far so don't have the average.
Diesel locally has mostly been only 3-5c cheaper than reg gas for as long I have lived here (I know I owned personal 7.3PSD for most of my time here). For the last 7 months diesel locally is 20-30c per gal higher at about $2.09 most of this winter
Pay attention to the news and if you happen to live in a high fuel cost area and you don't get the whole picture. Those of us in low fuel cost areas are totally amazed that prices can be $2.50 and higher some places! (I have to track these things because we also go out of state twice a month)
I have one strong V10 in my fleet that gets over 14.3mpg but it is also the light runner and spends more time highway than city. By light, I mean that we only haul four adults and about 800lbs of oversized test equipment (lot of volume not much weight). Each day it is out 40 and back 40 on the highway. We had 8 trucks to choose from and after the 4th month we shifted this more effecient truck to the out of town trouble call hauler.
I have 2 PSD on heavy runs daily from Killen to Houston(Katy) and back. We run them fast (75-80mph) one always with a trailer and the other just very heavy bed loads. Both DRW and we accept the 14-16MPG it costs. (time is money also!)
When someone post a Gas vs Diesel question I at least try to use perspective and real world examples of the decision making process. There are many times when the answer is the Diesel and many times when the V10 or V8 are better choices. There are folks out there who can afford to get whatever they want, so it becomes a bragging rights personal choice.
I respect the diesel owners who know what a diesel motor is, accept the added expense, maintenance, and have an adult attitude towards why someone else might not desire those constraints.
But I gotta say, I get a little ticked at some of the outrageous claims by either side and it seems to me that more often than not it is the diesel owners who inflate thier cliams.
I am not one to call any body a liar but when the majority of ALL post about a certain PSD Truck, Excursion, or Van suggests that the TYPICAL mpg figures are in the 15-17 range and some one pipes in with my XXXX with 5000+ load always gets 19-21 MPG ! Well what can I say?
I know it is possible, just like I know there are some very lucky owners who can claim over 100,000 miles with no service repair issues. But I wish folks who have these extraordinary examples would at least state in their claim that they know their experiance is not normal.
I had a 73 Toyoa Corolla that went 317,000 miles and when I sold it it still had the Factory front wheel bearings, drive shaft spiders, rear brake shoes, original trany never had new lube and a few other very long lived parts. But I would never claim then that ALL Toyota Corollas were maintence free perfect vehicles. Ommiting the three times I had the motor out for rear main, head gaskets and broken piston skirts!
Good points and if you look, most all V10 owners in these discussions say the same thing exactly. The cost benifit rartio is directly tied to the lifetime expected usage of the Diesel. You do a "post for post" averaging on every V10 MPG claim here and at the diesel site, and you will see that we mostly claim 11-13mpg. Your math is only relevant to YOU! Your 9 year experiance is not true for the rest of us.
To amplify, you claim that we wish we got 13mpg and then use the 13mpg in your math but inflate the cost of regular to $2.00 per gallon. Here in Central Texas the higest in last 9 years is $1.79 and low was $0.74c and I did not keep records back that far so don't have the average.
Diesel locally has mostly been only 3-5c cheaper than reg gas for as long I have lived here (I know I owned personal 7.3PSD for most of my time here). For the last 7 months diesel locally is 20-30c per gal higher at about $2.09 most of this winter
Pay attention to the news and if you happen to live in a high fuel cost area and you don't get the whole picture. Those of us in low fuel cost areas are totally amazed that prices can be $2.50 and higher some places! (I have to track these things because we also go out of state twice a month)
I have one strong V10 in my fleet that gets over 14.3mpg but it is also the light runner and spends more time highway than city. By light, I mean that we only haul four adults and about 800lbs of oversized test equipment (lot of volume not much weight). Each day it is out 40 and back 40 on the highway. We had 8 trucks to choose from and after the 4th month we shifted this more effecient truck to the out of town trouble call hauler.
I have 2 PSD on heavy runs daily from Killen to Houston(Katy) and back. We run them fast (75-80mph) one always with a trailer and the other just very heavy bed loads. Both DRW and we accept the 14-16MPG it costs. (time is money also!)
When someone post a Gas vs Diesel question I at least try to use perspective and real world examples of the decision making process. There are many times when the answer is the Diesel and many times when the V10 or V8 are better choices. There are folks out there who can afford to get whatever they want, so it becomes a bragging rights personal choice.
I respect the diesel owners who know what a diesel motor is, accept the added expense, maintenance, and have an adult attitude towards why someone else might not desire those constraints.
But I gotta say, I get a little ticked at some of the outrageous claims by either side and it seems to me that more often than not it is the diesel owners who inflate thier cliams.
I am not one to call any body a liar but when the majority of ALL post about a certain PSD Truck, Excursion, or Van suggests that the TYPICAL mpg figures are in the 15-17 range and some one pipes in with my XXXX with 5000+ load always gets 19-21 MPG ! Well what can I say?
I know it is possible, just like I know there are some very lucky owners who can claim over 100,000 miles with no service repair issues. But I wish folks who have these extraordinary examples would at least state in their claim that they know their experiance is not normal.
I had a 73 Toyoa Corolla that went 317,000 miles and when I sold it it still had the Factory front wheel bearings, drive shaft spiders, rear brake shoes, original trany never had new lube and a few other very long lived parts. But I would never claim then that ALL Toyota Corollas were maintence free perfect vehicles. Ommiting the three times I had the motor out for rear main, head gaskets and broken piston skirts!
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Fredvon4: I used $2.00 for gas and $1.80 for Diesel because it is easy to see the 10% on average cost differance I could have used $1.00 for gas and $.90 for diesel!! I've bought Diesel for $.47.9 in the past 9 years and gas has never even been close to that!!
I will say this no V10 would get 13 MPG under my right foot. My driving style (All Out) would not allow it. I do get 16.1 long term with my 7.3PSD!!
As far as cost of worn parts $500.00 May not be typical for most truck owners!! But it would be the same with a gasser!!
But like I said in 2 post, that it all depends on how many miles you are going to put on the truck!! Over 30,000 miles a year the smoker will cost less Counting everything, Intrest on the extra money it cost and the whole nine yards!! Less than 15,000 miles a year you will never recoupe the cost of the PSD!! Buy what you want but know the facts before you buy!!
I will say this no V10 would get 13 MPG under my right foot. My driving style (All Out) would not allow it. I do get 16.1 long term with my 7.3PSD!!
As far as cost of worn parts $500.00 May not be typical for most truck owners!! But it would be the same with a gasser!!
But like I said in 2 post, that it all depends on how many miles you are going to put on the truck!! Over 30,000 miles a year the smoker will cost less Counting everything, Intrest on the extra money it cost and the whole nine yards!! Less than 15,000 miles a year you will never recoupe the cost of the PSD!! Buy what you want but know the facts before you buy!!
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A farmer friend of mine has run both the V10 and a 02 7.3PSD ... for heavy farm use he says the extra expense is well worth it ...
dad has a 94 F250 4x4 7.3 non PSD , and he always gets around 18-20 mpg unloaded on the highway ... because of the leg room and the better view from the cab , mom & dad always take the truck , not the car on long runs ...
I'm a transporter delivering trailers of all shapes , sizes and weights ... my 04 6.0PSD runs 9-10 mpg , loaded , no matter what the trailer is and usually at 70 mph ... unloaded , hammer down , I'll run 16 mpg .... at 10,000 miles/month , diesel is the only answer ...
dad has a 94 F250 4x4 7.3 non PSD , and he always gets around 18-20 mpg unloaded on the highway ... because of the leg room and the better view from the cab , mom & dad always take the truck , not the car on long runs ...
I'm a transporter delivering trailers of all shapes , sizes and weights ... my 04 6.0PSD runs 9-10 mpg , loaded , no matter what the trailer is and usually at 70 mph ... unloaded , hammer down , I'll run 16 mpg .... at 10,000 miles/month , diesel is the only answer ...
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Actually my request for an '05 V10 to do a pull off up the I-8 grade coming in to San Diego was to determine if the V10 would pull a load up the grade at a higher speed than the PSD - not to prove the PSD superior.
We had quite debate going on for a while as to whether or not the V10 would do it. I think that it will, most do not.
I drive a diesel, but my stance in the debate was that the V10 would out pull the diesel in this narrowly defined test. The only reason I care really is to baseline empirically all the math work that I did for the comparison.
The reason that I felt that the V10 would pull the grade faster than the PSD was that the motor has more revs available and will support the gearing needed to do the trick.
Comparing general driveability is a different story and not one that I considered math wise. One thing that I did look into briefly is the issue of towing at altitude. The turbocharged diesel will really begin to outshine the normally aspirated gas motor at anything over 4000 ft.
Now do I want do drive the V10 as a daily driver or as the tow vehicle for my toy hauler - no. The fuel mileage while towing is too poor and V10 has to revved too hard too often for my tastes - though that's not to say it won't do it all day long.
As to fuel mileage, I generally drive my truck 90% 4 miles each way to and from work with a fair climb each way so I don't get to check highway or typical city driving much. When on the highway I'm usually towing. But a month ago or so I did have the chance to do a short trip. The truck got 18.5 MPG on the way up and 22.6 MPG on the way back. This was driving ~80 MPH and with the SCMT High Performance tune loaded. From what I've seen in the past with my truck the 17 to 19 MPG on the highway is not unrealistic.
Daryl
We had quite debate going on for a while as to whether or not the V10 would do it. I think that it will, most do not.
I drive a diesel, but my stance in the debate was that the V10 would out pull the diesel in this narrowly defined test. The only reason I care really is to baseline empirically all the math work that I did for the comparison.
The reason that I felt that the V10 would pull the grade faster than the PSD was that the motor has more revs available and will support the gearing needed to do the trick.
Comparing general driveability is a different story and not one that I considered math wise. One thing that I did look into briefly is the issue of towing at altitude. The turbocharged diesel will really begin to outshine the normally aspirated gas motor at anything over 4000 ft.
Now do I want do drive the V10 as a daily driver or as the tow vehicle for my toy hauler - no. The fuel mileage while towing is too poor and V10 has to revved too hard too often for my tastes - though that's not to say it won't do it all day long.
As to fuel mileage, I generally drive my truck 90% 4 miles each way to and from work with a fair climb each way so I don't get to check highway or typical city driving much. When on the highway I'm usually towing. But a month ago or so I did have the chance to do a short trip. The truck got 18.5 MPG on the way up and 22.6 MPG on the way back. This was driving ~80 MPH and with the SCMT High Performance tune loaded. From what I've seen in the past with my truck the 17 to 19 MPG on the highway is not unrealistic.
Daryl
Originally Posted by Fredvon4
jdadamsjr
Your words...
"And I and our Left coast buddy over there have only been asking for two years for a head to head - one in California and one here in Texus to settle it once and for all - but nary a V-10 taker yet !!!
guess they just post their boasts - and don't come out to play "
Just an observation, but you seem to have a need to prove the mighty diesel is better.
Funny though... I re-read every post here and I am a big pro gasser poster on other fourms. I find it very hard to find any V10 owner ever claiming power, weight, hauling or any other V10 superiority.
As a owner of a fleet of Ford trucks I tend to see MOST of the V10 MPG claims (11-13mpg average empty) and (7-10mph heavy) as fairly consistently posted. Not too many wild 17+mpg claims.
I also have owned personnaly and professionally several examples of the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD and can categorically state that many posts about the average MPG seem to be a tad inflated base on my personal experiance and my company fuel usage records. I never could get near 18+mpg out of the PSDs we have. I also find it suspect all the Diesel ownrs who claim 75,000 or higher miles with no problems....I WISH!
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
Your words...
"And I and our Left coast buddy over there have only been asking for two years for a head to head - one in California and one here in Texus to settle it once and for all - but nary a V-10 taker yet !!!
guess they just post their boasts - and don't come out to play "
Just an observation, but you seem to have a need to prove the mighty diesel is better.
Funny though... I re-read every post here and I am a big pro gasser poster on other fourms. I find it very hard to find any V10 owner ever claiming power, weight, hauling or any other V10 superiority.
As a owner of a fleet of Ford trucks I tend to see MOST of the V10 MPG claims (11-13mpg average empty) and (7-10mph heavy) as fairly consistently posted. Not too many wild 17+mpg claims.
I also have owned personnaly and professionally several examples of the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD and can categorically state that many posts about the average MPG seem to be a tad inflated base on my personal experiance and my company fuel usage records. I never could get near 18+mpg out of the PSDs we have. I also find it suspect all the Diesel ownrs who claim 75,000 or higher miles with no problems....I WISH!
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
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The language used on this post was way over the top for this family site.
While I think that we all enjoy a spirited discussion, it's sad to see a debate devolve to the point where such vitriol is slung about.
While I think that we all enjoy a spirited discussion, it's sad to see a debate devolve to the point where such vitriol is slung about.
Originally Posted by Budkole
You know some of you guys are soooo <snipped> EGOS ON YOUR TRUCK BED!!!
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Moby Dick I could not agree more...
Daryl Hunter
I accept you explanation of the "test" you want to do and I wasn't throwing the barb at you specifically and I am too tired of this argument to dig back at your original post a long time ago. My memory (since you brought it up) was that your original post sounded confrontational and had an agenda. In fact you posted several times later a semi taunt that no body wnated to take your "challenge".
Story time... Back in 2002 a local PDS owner was really getting under my skin with his super Macho my truck is better than your truck stuff. He did a leveling lift, propane, chip, down pipe, wicked wheel yada yada yada blah blah whatever. I was simply enjoying life with my switch from a 7.3 (that was also on steroids) to a F250 SB 4x4 2v V10 Platinum with 3.73:1 and stock everything.
He was always wanting to race me, so I finally said fine but I pick the time and place... His huevos did his thinking for him and he accepted... I bumped it up by adding $500 from him to me if I could beat him bad enough to get to the finish line in enough time to fully shut it down and climb in the bed and light a smoke. OH boy that was candy to him!
We met on a Saturday at 5AM at the enterance to Inks Lake Park on Park road 4. The race... drag style side by side to the end 14 miles and back. 28 miles round trip. My strategy, pass him in first turn and never look back.
First 3 miles is pretty straight typical county road but with several very good 500 foot hills straigt up and pretty steep back down until the first sweeping right hand off camber turn. Then there is about 8/9 miles of up and down tight turns mixed with some semi straight miles. He did blow me off the line and I just barely stayed out of the super black cloud for the first mile.
I tucked in right off his bumper at the first turn. You see, I knew this high front end and MUCH heavier weight bias caused him to badly understeer and lay on the binders as he drifted to the outer lane... there I went, tucked in down low on the inside and power slide around the corner passing him and I never worried about him after that. In fact I was even able to slow down and do the rest of the turns at a sane speed. Yep I got the $500 and we had BEER! (sever beers, and we are now pretty good friends)
This don't prove any more than the dumb guy who blew up and burned down his truck all chained up.
We have a used 7.3 I picked up this winter very cheap because the owner did not need a PSD for back and forth to work and the fuel prices made him trade. My dealer litteraly stole it from him on a trade for a new 5.4 3 valve. I was in the office when the deal went down and I made an instant good only right this minute $500 over dealer cost offer. Sales men are starving this time of year and he said OK. Great truck for $17,500!
I really wish every one who has NEVER worked a 05 3v V10 would at least admit they don't have a clue what they are talking about when some one askes a Gas vs Diesel question. Kinda like I don't like some Chevy lover claiming the duramax allison is superior to a 7.3 w 5R110... They just don't know!
Daryl Hunter
I accept you explanation of the "test" you want to do and I wasn't throwing the barb at you specifically and I am too tired of this argument to dig back at your original post a long time ago. My memory (since you brought it up) was that your original post sounded confrontational and had an agenda. In fact you posted several times later a semi taunt that no body wnated to take your "challenge".
Story time... Back in 2002 a local PDS owner was really getting under my skin with his super Macho my truck is better than your truck stuff. He did a leveling lift, propane, chip, down pipe, wicked wheel yada yada yada blah blah whatever. I was simply enjoying life with my switch from a 7.3 (that was also on steroids) to a F250 SB 4x4 2v V10 Platinum with 3.73:1 and stock everything.
He was always wanting to race me, so I finally said fine but I pick the time and place... His huevos did his thinking for him and he accepted... I bumped it up by adding $500 from him to me if I could beat him bad enough to get to the finish line in enough time to fully shut it down and climb in the bed and light a smoke. OH boy that was candy to him!
We met on a Saturday at 5AM at the enterance to Inks Lake Park on Park road 4. The race... drag style side by side to the end 14 miles and back. 28 miles round trip. My strategy, pass him in first turn and never look back.
First 3 miles is pretty straight typical county road but with several very good 500 foot hills straigt up and pretty steep back down until the first sweeping right hand off camber turn. Then there is about 8/9 miles of up and down tight turns mixed with some semi straight miles. He did blow me off the line and I just barely stayed out of the super black cloud for the first mile.
I tucked in right off his bumper at the first turn. You see, I knew this high front end and MUCH heavier weight bias caused him to badly understeer and lay on the binders as he drifted to the outer lane... there I went, tucked in down low on the inside and power slide around the corner passing him and I never worried about him after that. In fact I was even able to slow down and do the rest of the turns at a sane speed. Yep I got the $500 and we had BEER! (sever beers, and we are now pretty good friends)
This don't prove any more than the dumb guy who blew up and burned down his truck all chained up.
We have a used 7.3 I picked up this winter very cheap because the owner did not need a PSD for back and forth to work and the fuel prices made him trade. My dealer litteraly stole it from him on a trade for a new 5.4 3 valve. I was in the office when the deal went down and I made an instant good only right this minute $500 over dealer cost offer. Sales men are starving this time of year and he said OK. Great truck for $17,500!
I really wish every one who has NEVER worked a 05 3v V10 would at least admit they don't have a clue what they are talking about when some one askes a Gas vs Diesel question. Kinda like I don't like some Chevy lover claiming the duramax allison is superior to a 7.3 w 5R110... They just don't know!
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Personally Fred...I think you are out of line here.
All the posts regarding "manhood" issues between the V-10 and 6.0 are barely represented in this short meger thread.
Attacking people because no one accepted their "manhood" challenge makes me wonder if you are more interested in just presenting your on levels of testosterone.
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
Bottom line bud.. Most of us in the 6.0 forum, could care less if you saved $ 5,000.00 and whether you are proud of it or not. If it was right for you then that is what is important. You have made it quite obvious that it was. I don't believe anyone has questioned any individuals engines of choice or their reasons for choosing either engine.
For me...I think both engines are terriffic engines.
The bottom line is they are SuperDuties. And yes, I think it would be fun to see the BIG RACE between the two engines. All the math means nothing to me. Kinda like the football playoffs...all the stats mean nothing to me. It's who wins the game that gets to keep on keepin' on.
Whether you agree or disagree there is no reason to present personal attacks on people either full frontal (so to speak) or back handed. While you may not want to call anyone a liar you certainly have no problem impling it.
Anyway Fred...read all the threads and all the posts on all the V-10 vs 6.0 discussions and you will probably find that it was the gasser that really started fueling (pun intended) the debates.
All the posts regarding "manhood" issues between the V-10 and 6.0 are barely represented in this short meger thread.
Attacking people because no one accepted their "manhood" challenge makes me wonder if you are more interested in just presenting your on levels of testosterone.
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
Bottom line bud.. Most of us in the 6.0 forum, could care less if you saved $ 5,000.00 and whether you are proud of it or not. If it was right for you then that is what is important. You have made it quite obvious that it was. I don't believe anyone has questioned any individuals engines of choice or their reasons for choosing either engine.
For me...I think both engines are terriffic engines.
The bottom line is they are SuperDuties. And yes, I think it would be fun to see the BIG RACE between the two engines. All the math means nothing to me. Kinda like the football playoffs...all the stats mean nothing to me. It's who wins the game that gets to keep on keepin' on.
Whether you agree or disagree there is no reason to present personal attacks on people either full frontal (so to speak) or back handed. While you may not want to call anyone a liar you certainly have no problem impling it.
Anyway Fred...read all the threads and all the posts on all the V-10 vs 6.0 discussions and you will probably find that it was the gasser that really started fueling (pun intended) the debates.
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Take a cruise to the top and reread the very first post, then the second post. After that slide down a few and see if in post #5 I say anything you would disagree with...
Then search my entire 833 posts and see if I ever one time lurked or trolled in the 6.0L PSD forums and said anyting against a diesel Ford motor or truck.
Quote "Most of us in the 6.0 forum, could care less if you saved $ 5,000.00"
You are aware this is the Super Duty And Heavy Duty forum aren't you? You did notice the original question was asked of V10 owners didn't you?
Quote "Anyway Fred...read all the threads and all the posts on all the V-10 vs 6.0 discussions and you will probably find that it was the gasser that really started fueling (pun intended) the debates."
I will make you a bet.... for every one post in these forums you find where a gasser started the fueling I will post the link to two where a PSD owner did. I disagree with your analysis.
If you are ever near Fort Hood look me up and we can have a beer and chat about it. I will buy.
Take a cruise to the top and reread the very first post, then the second post. After that slide down a few and see if in post #5 I say anything you would disagree with...
Then search my entire 833 posts and see if I ever one time lurked or trolled in the 6.0L PSD forums and said anyting against a diesel Ford motor or truck.
Quote "Most of us in the 6.0 forum, could care less if you saved $ 5,000.00"
You are aware this is the Super Duty And Heavy Duty forum aren't you? You did notice the original question was asked of V10 owners didn't you?
Quote "Anyway Fred...read all the threads and all the posts on all the V-10 vs 6.0 discussions and you will probably find that it was the gasser that really started fueling (pun intended) the debates."
I will make you a bet.... for every one post in these forums you find where a gasser started the fueling I will post the link to two where a PSD owner did. I disagree with your analysis.
If you are ever near Fort Hood look me up and we can have a beer and chat about it. I will buy.
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If you are ever near Fort Hood look me up and we can have a beer and chat about it. I will buy.
No ill will intended Fred...and I am up for the beer but only if we take turns buying 'cause I'll bet one beer won't get us through our conversation.
Love to shake hands and meet someone new. Honestly though, I don't really care which engine is best for you, me, or any body else 'cause the one we bought was best for any of us at the time we bought 'em.
I would be much more interested in sharing military, hunting, and fishing stories with you. I grow weary sometimes of the same 'ol arguements here that no one wins.
If I do find myself in your neck of the woods of the Great State Of Texas...I'll PM you and let you know I'm on my way...BTW...the beer flows both ways. I'm in the Eastern 'Burbs of Dallas County (almost Rockwall County) PM me sometime when you're up here and I'll buy the beer.
No ill will intended Fred...and I am up for the beer but only if we take turns buying 'cause I'll bet one beer won't get us through our conversation.
Love to shake hands and meet someone new. Honestly though, I don't really care which engine is best for you, me, or any body else 'cause the one we bought was best for any of us at the time we bought 'em.
I would be much more interested in sharing military, hunting, and fishing stories with you. I grow weary sometimes of the same 'ol arguements here that no one wins.
If I do find myself in your neck of the woods of the Great State Of Texas...I'll PM you and let you know I'm on my way...BTW...the beer flows both ways. I'm in the Eastern 'Burbs of Dallas County (almost Rockwall County) PM me sometime when you're up here and I'll buy the beer.
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Originally Posted by Fredvon4
jdadamsjr
Your words...
"And I and our Left coast buddy over there have only been asking for two years for a head to head - one in California and one here in Texus to settle it once and for all - but nary a V-10 taker yet !!!
guess they just post their boasts - and don't come out to play "
Just an observation, but you seem to have a need to prove the mighty diesel is better.
Funny though... I re-read every post here and I am a big pro gasser poster on other fourms. I find it very hard to find any V10 owner ever claiming power, weight, hauling or any other V10 superiority.
As a owner of a fleet of Ford trucks I tend to see MOST of the V10 MPG claims (11-13mpg average empty) and (7-10mph heavy) as fairly consistently posted. Not too many wild 17+mpg claims.
I also have owned personnaly and professionally several examples of the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD and can categorically state that many posts about the average MPG seem to be a tad inflated base on my personal experiance and my company fuel usage records. I never could get near 18+mpg out of the PSDs we have. I also find it suspect all the Diesel ownrs who claim 75,000 or higher miles with no problems....I WISH!
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
Your words...
"And I and our Left coast buddy over there have only been asking for two years for a head to head - one in California and one here in Texus to settle it once and for all - but nary a V-10 taker yet !!!
guess they just post their boasts - and don't come out to play "
Just an observation, but you seem to have a need to prove the mighty diesel is better.
Funny though... I re-read every post here and I am a big pro gasser poster on other fourms. I find it very hard to find any V10 owner ever claiming power, weight, hauling or any other V10 superiority.
As a owner of a fleet of Ford trucks I tend to see MOST of the V10 MPG claims (11-13mpg average empty) and (7-10mph heavy) as fairly consistently posted. Not too many wild 17+mpg claims.
I also have owned personnaly and professionally several examples of the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD and can categorically state that many posts about the average MPG seem to be a tad inflated base on my personal experiance and my company fuel usage records. I never could get near 18+mpg out of the PSDs we have. I also find it suspect all the Diesel ownrs who claim 75,000 or higher miles with no problems....I WISH!
Bottom line bud, is that you will probably never get a serious bite on your competiton between a PSD and a V10 because most of us Gas V10 owners are comfortable with our manhood and don't need to prove that saving $5000 was the right thing, we already know it.
Nope Fred...
Not at all a matter of manhood comparison!
I don't have a need to.... I'm just responding to what I feel is an untruth, or at the very least, an unproven paradigm !
I just like to get to the bottom line quicker than some and tire of the diatribe very much sooner than most
No harm Bud...
I THINK I know the answer -
I actually put my facts out there a long time ago -
asked for reciprical numbers, comparisons, etc...
and none have been forthcoming other than mathematical computations and opinions....
but yet some feel discussion and posting is the way to resolve it....
I am not to be counted among those...
This is really at least the fifth MONSTER long thread that I have seen in the few years I've been playing here...
and it is still at the discussion stage...
I just would like to know the real answer - and it really doesn't matter to me which way it goes ! really, it doesn't...
I just have a real thin skin when I hear boasts, boasts, and boasts and no results !!!
(The thin skin comes from years in the software industry with LARGE EGO types that could barely talk the game and NEVER show results
)You know the type _ bet you have them in your industry as well !
Granted, I may have been curt in my "bring it to the head to head", but it was only meant as a "let's settle it and stop discussing it"
And those that are suspect of my "claims" of 17 mpg... come run with me for a week - mine DOES !!!
And if you've been around here for a while u may know that I don't boast... I just try to help with facts...
and if some don't trust my statements - that's ok by me...
some day you'll figure out that I'm one fo the "good guys" - or at least I try to be
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Fair enough fellow SuperDuty owner and cousin Texan! Most of my trave up your way is in a Saab 9000 puddle jumper on my way via DFW to DCA or TUS.
I too, think we argue way to much on these subjects and I accept some blame 'cus I won't back off when I see a deliberate bait like this neat little barb:
"If you buy an f350 to drive around with no load then Im sure the v10 is great, but If your like most people that buy an f350 to haul something its a no brainer to get the deisel over that worthless v10."
Lifted from a different thread just an example
I too, think we argue way to much on these subjects and I accept some blame 'cus I won't back off when I see a deliberate bait like this neat little barb:
"If you buy an f350 to drive around with no load then Im sure the v10 is great, but If your like most people that buy an f350 to haul something its a no brainer to get the deisel over that worthless v10."
Lifted from a different thread just an example
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Originally Posted by kw5413
[i]....... and I'll buy the beer.
I know you're kind - offer to someone that you know won't EVER be around to collect...
But, NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!
Not to us DFW folk !!!
And I even offered to open up my new house to the DFW FTE's and got NO takers !!!
My feelings are seriously bruised
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Hey, but at least a neighborly me1mckee came by in a NICE FX4 to say Hi....
Then I find out his wife's in Kalifornia, so he's killing time coming visitng me and the misses !!!
You guys are all alike - just break a girls heart
(EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW - did I say that out loud
)Even knowing I'm joking - that's SICK
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But, NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!
Not to us DFW folk !!!
Hey there buddy boy....hold them horses. I even told you I was good to go, with notice, except for this weekend. Being it was my youngest daughter's 13th brithday. Go back and read the posts big shot..
Besides...you never actually invited me anyway.
Mess with me Mr. I don't need to prove my manhood and I'll get Choctaw Bob involved in this little shing ding thing. Then youuuuuuuuuuu'll be sorry.
So there...Bud.
Not to us DFW folk !!!
Hey there buddy boy....hold them horses. I even told you I was good to go, with notice, except for this weekend. Being it was my youngest daughter's 13th brithday. Go back and read the posts big shot..
Besides...you never actually invited me anyway.
Mess with me Mr. I don't need to prove my manhood and I'll get Choctaw Bob involved in this little shing ding thing. Then youuuuuuuuuuu'll be sorry.
So there...Bud.