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Originally Posted by MadMedic20
The Power Stroke in the E-series chassis is only rated at 235hp and 425lb due to the smaller engine compartment. The intake ducting is cramped and restrictive, and they cant run with the F-series diesels because of cooling problems at that level of performance. So the E-series Power Stroke is under rated, not saying its bad but the performance isnt what you would expect. Oh and the other thing the E-series PSD isnt intercooled like the F-series. Not sure why the V10 is used in so many of the larger motorhomes though. My boss has one with a V10 dont think hes gonna be using it much this summer.
The V-10 is used in lots of motorhomes because of several reasons; it's the largest, most efficient gas motor Ford makes, so it's only logical that it comes with Ford chassis, and Ford van cutaways. Pound for pound it's the best engine made for hauling around 7 tons of motorhome while returning near double digit gas mileage.
I think if your boss, or whoever looked at the difference between $1.75 a gallon, and $2.25 a gallon the difference on a 500 mile camping trip is inconsequential, maybe $50 ($25-ish each way) ? So maybe you go 400 miles to a beautiful campground instead of 500 miles.
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Rooftruck , another reason why you see so many V10s in F450s around here is a lot of these work vehicle do a lot of idle times as part of their regular workload. We have a big rental company drop off equipement for us and the big V10 sits idling so quiet you can barely hear it. The PSDs are not recommended for long idle periods unless you bump the idle up to over 1000 RPM. Even if commercial vehicles were equipped with the Idle control, employees would not use it and then we get wet stacking which is deposits on the valves, yet another problem on these Navistar Diesels, it never ends with those things. Take care, Wrenchtraveller.
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Boy howdy! This thread sure has lived a long time. 
When I read this, I had to add my experience:
I had to have the lock removed from the spare tire crank on my truck. The tech who did the removal was the dealership's lead diesel tech... he wanted the 'easy' lock job as a "smoke break" & fast $$. This 'easy' job ended up taking about 30 minutes, so I had that long to talk to him. When he asked how I liked the V10, I thought oh no, here it comes, the diesel vs gas debate! Come to find out, this lead diesel tech drove a V10 Excursion and just wanted to know how I liked mine 'cause he loved his! 
When I read this, I had to add my experience:
Originally Posted by Rooftruck
And my mechanic, who is completely diesel trained and certified, said he'd never buy one unless he was hauling major loads reqularly.
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We have several E350 PSD Ambulances that idle for upto 10hrs at a time sometimes longer. Nothing wrong with them idleing at the factory setting. We usually kick the idle up in the summer to make the AC work better. Diesels are more suited to long periods at idle.
2 of the ambulances are 2002's and they are not intercooled, I would have noticed last time I had the radiator out of one of them.
Reg unleaded in this part of Cal. is $2.73 and Diesel is $2.79.
2 of the ambulances are 2002's and they are not intercooled, I would have noticed last time I had the radiator out of one of them.
Reg unleaded in this part of Cal. is $2.73 and Diesel is $2.79.
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Dang the techs! I can tell you that at normal idle MOST PSD are running too cool to completely seal the rings and wet stacking is a real condition. But I wonder if their ambulances might also be cooling system challenged. Hummm I just don't know . But I would bet if you set a PSD truck out to idle for 10 hours you are going to consume a LOT of the oil.
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If you gave the diesels a good solid run (heavy trailer on it, get it nice and hot) after idleing for excessive periods, would that be enough to clear the stuff off the valves??
I know oil consumption wouldn't be the greatest, but would it at least keep the valves clean?
I know oil consumption wouldn't be the greatest, but would it at least keep the valves clean?
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I think a good hard run right after a long idle will probably clean up the valves but that is not always possible or practical. Three years ago I was in northern Alberta on a construction job with my 00 7.3 and it got real cold 40 below zreo. I was able to plug my truck in and on the 20 mile drive out to the job the cab of the truck was real comfortable. I did not even need the fan on high. A couple of guys with new Dodges were stuffing their rads with cardboard and freezing their butts off in the cab. I would have to wait for a parking spot with an electric plug and while I was idling at 40 below the high idle would kick in on its own even after a 20 mile run. That 7.3 started and ran like a champ in that fridgid weather and I was sure glad I had a Ford. This guy with a new Cummins left his truck idle in the motel parking lot all night outside our rooms. We wanted to kill him but that will get you run off the job. Wrench.
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From: Vancouver Wash USA
Originally Posted by Wrenchtraveller
A couple of guys with new Dodges were stuffing their rads with cardboard and freezing their butts off in the cab. I would have to wait for a parking spot with an electric plug and while I was idling at 40 below the high idle would kick in on its own even after a 20 mile run. This guy with a new Cummins left his truck idle in the motel parking lot all night outside our rooms. We wanted to kill him but that will get you run off the job. Wrench.
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Originally Posted by Wrenchtraveller
Ken , nobody ever said life is fair.
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Ken, Thanks for your last two posts. They both give me a real belly laugh.
Leaving the campground early with a diesel was always am embarrassment with me and I would clear the windshield of frost or steam, crank her on and then idle out of the campground to a spot where I could defrost her and clean all the windows. I know Ford owners are just nice, polite people and the last time I test drove a new Dodge the salesman seemed honest because at the end of the test drive, he turned to me and said " Sir I can't sell you a new Dodge pickup, you are just too nice a guy"
Take care, Wrench.
Leaving the campground early with a diesel was always am embarrassment with me and I would clear the windshield of frost or steam, crank her on and then idle out of the campground to a spot where I could defrost her and clean all the windows. I know Ford owners are just nice, polite people and the last time I test drove a new Dodge the salesman seemed honest because at the end of the test drive, he turned to me and said " Sir I can't sell you a new Dodge pickup, you are just too nice a guy"
Take care, Wrench.
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Interesting. I have seen temps that make the 40-below seem like a heat wave. Dont care if you have a gas or diesel you left if idle if you were not able to plug it in (Block heater, oil pan heater and tranny heater) and removed the battery. Heck one of the main reasons people by diesel up here is to have those extended idle times. Everyone is quilty up here of excessive idle time; gas and diesel. I have personally let mine idle for 9 hours then went out and drove it. I have seen trucks on the slope idle for months. Not saying that was a good thing. We just have different priorities up here in the winter.
I havent seen my high idle kick in after the truck has warmed up and that would be at 60-70 below.
I havent seen my high idle kick in after the truck has warmed up and that would be at 60-70 below.
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Originally Posted by Wrenchtraveller
Ken, Thanks for your last two posts. They both give me a real belly laugh.
Leaving the campground early with a diesel was always am embarrassment with me and I would clear the windshield of frost or steam, crank her on and then idle out of the campground to a spot where I could defrost her and clean all the windows. I know Ford owners are just nice, polite people and the last time I test drove a new Dodge the salesman seemed honest because at the end of the test drive, he turned to me and said " Sir I can't sell you a new Dodge pickup, you are just too nice a guy"
Take care, Wrench.
Leaving the campground early with a diesel was always am embarrassment with me and I would clear the windshield of frost or steam, crank her on and then idle out of the campground to a spot where I could defrost her and clean all the windows. I know Ford owners are just nice, polite people and the last time I test drove a new Dodge the salesman seemed honest because at the end of the test drive, he turned to me and said " Sir I can't sell you a new Dodge pickup, you are just too nice a guy"
Take care, Wrench.
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Originally Posted by ken04
And it's always the dude with 40' of fiver who pulls in, gets his 4 slide-outs stuck in the breeze then sits in his rv and watches satellite TV til he pulls up stakes in 3 or 4 days. Why not stay home ?
Loud diesels (including PSDs) firing up early in the AM get me annoyed quickly too. But, I do have to point out that maybe the dude in the 40' 5'er IS home. Those lucky bastages!
Last time we were RV-ing, there were two "women" at a site next to us with a new Dodge. I have to say that I am HUGELY impressed with the low sound levels of the new CTD. IMO, they are less noisy than the 6.0 PSD. Still no where near as quiet as the V10 though.