yes, i did indeed say an honor and a priviledge.. why is that so hard to understand for anyone? i dont think its that way for everyone.. some people have issues.. they buy GM products...

if you dont like Fords go someplace else.. i hear the bowtie sissies have a website something like this one...
aside from all of that, i never said a word about anything made by anybody that is "newish"... any day a bowtie wants a spank'n come on out here to redneck land and we'll play..
i'm being beckoned to the tv.. we can finish this later.
Wade

 

When them chevy boys start running their mouths about Fords.
I tell them the last thing their stovebolt is gonna see before it leaves this world is the backside of my Ford wrecker.

Pat

 

look at it this way; ole Henry made em before "brand(s) X" did....
i'll wager that Ford will be around after gm, too
btw...I've had 2 jeeps, then a ford (got wrecked) a dodge, crapped out,
then a ford, that I sold for another ford, that blew the HG (3.8 tbird), then a chevy that I let get re-poed, then my ford that's in my gallery now...also the wife had an 89 tbird, body is shot, but has sat for 2 years, engine started just last week, when I drove it to another place on the farm, only thing that holds up or handles the mileage is Ford stuff....guess that's why I'd rather have em than anything else..

 

Everyone lives life trying to be the best.
Being the best isn't always the best.

 

What are you saying there. Sorry Im slow to catch on.

 

I believe Bryan is saying that when you're #1, everyone is trying to knock you down - that's one of the bad things about being #1 (if you take it personally, I guess).

Bryan...please correct me if I'm wrong to assume that's what you meant...

Scott

 

Let me get this straight- you pulled about double what that truck was rated to pull (maybe more, I haven't seen the specs on it), went mudding (which it wasn't designed to do...ever. Period), torched a couple of trannies, and the trucks crap? I'm not meaning to pick on you specifically, but I come across this more often than you would believe. Customer takes a vehicle out, either does things it wasn't designed to do in the first place or just plain thrashes and abuses it, drops it off broken in the shop and then blames the dealer/manufacturer for the design of the product. And no, it's not just a Chevy thing- our Ford guys see the same thing. Sorry about the rant.

 

in general terms what you said is true..
by mudding, i dont mean up to the doors..ok twice that happened.. but that was not a result of me "mudding", that was a result of me not knowing how muddy it was...now, i do realize that we have overloaded the poor little thing.. it cant handle it.. and we figured that out.. on the second trans.. the first one is because my dad is old and did not know you couldnt tow a 16' uhaul trailer (loaded or not) in od...the truck did tow the 28' loaded with 12,000 lbs of hay many many many times with no problems.. the 305 shocked me..i would have never dreamed it would have done the things we asked it to do.. really, i just listed the major issues (like the trans) because growing up, we had a '77 F-250 single cab, 2wd with a 460 and 4 on the floor and we seriously abused it and never really had any problems...and we did have it up to the doors in mud all the time. not for fun, but because when you're poor and you're farming, you do what you gotta do...and pray for the best...
so, my expectations were a bit high.. i know this.. i also know that a '77 anything is a different breed than a '96 anything...the bowtie just didnt seem to hold up like i would have thought it would.. and i was let down.. maybe that is because i expected too much.. my point was that, for me, every bowtie owned has been a let down.. saying that, my f-350 is currently parked in the barn.. my brother was romping it and kuput..
engine is locked up from something...

really though, i have to give credit to the '96GMC because i did get a little carried away with it the other nite bringing hay to the back field.. i had a 2wheel trailer on the bumper with 2 bales on it (about 2000lbs) nothing in the bed of the truck, and climbed a fairly steep logging road that has ruts (from me) about 1.5' and the whole road is uphill and clay.. and it had been raining all day... it took a little bit, but she did pull the hill..and i didnt have to use foul language or anything... so the bowtie is not a COMPLETE piece.. again, its the little things.. the door handles (inside) have had to be replaced because they break..thats been twice each side.. the seat rails on the passenger side are weak.. (i did buy it used so who knows what kind of person was riding there before i got it)..the fuel injection has issues.. the engine light has issues.. the alternator. the water pump. the power steering lines.. the whole front end.. (but that is me and gateway tires' fault).. tailgate handle.. i will say that the rearend is rock solid..
i think perhaps its just newer trucks i dont like.. plus i dont know beans about working on them.. the old ones, i can usually fix...


in fairness, i just (really, just before i came on here) discovered that my front fuel tank has a leak.. on my F-250...and its not shifting right.. and the c-6 leaks... the back seat is not bolted down, the tailgate handle is funny.. the horn sucks.. and i need some shocks and mud tires for Christmas..

ok.. ok.. ok.. i admit it.. I'm scared of fuel injected vehicles...the unknown on engines scares me...thats why i bought a "classic" Ford... ok.. that and i some of the best times i had as a child were sitting next to my dad in that '77... now, he sits next to me in my '79.. and are spending time together doing what we both love.. FARMING...

 

Redneck- There a greater truth in what you wrote. The older trucks were designed in a day and age when gas was cheap and so was steel. Sooo...they were overbuilt as all get-out, and could generally handle a lot more than the manufacturer allowed that they could. To be fair, Ford (and Dodge, believe it or not) were legendary for the way they held up to abuse.

The problem today is that I can hand over the keys to a new Silverado (or SD) to a contractor/farmer/landscaper and know the truck will be overloaded the first day out on the job. 20 years ago it wasn't a problem- today, they break, because the extra design margins aren't built in. So we wind up with (very) expensive Allison and Powershift transmissions, when the old TH400/C6 behind a big block could handle about the same load.

The flip side is the new trucks have come a long way in rust prevention, economy, and safety. I just wish a few more folks would realize that todays new truck is not the same as their old _________(fill in the blank), and they really have to pay attention to the manufacturers ratings.

 

I have a feeling this thread is going to go sour....

 

the one major reason i think ford got a bad name was when Iacocah (or whatever his name was or however you spell it) was running ford he was building things cheaper and not good quality. so ford then got rid if him and chrysler hired him so he could try to stop them from going bankrupt, and he did it doing the same thing he did at ford. building things cheaper and the quality not good cause of the cheaper parts.

 

His name is Lee Iacocca, he created the mustang.

I don't know how accurate that statement is...but automakers are ALWAYS trying to make things cheaper.

 

It is a honor to drive the best made truck on the road. just ask the people out there that bought the durajunk in their GM truck. pukin turbos, fuel injectors contently going out, the trans pukin out. the majority of the people that have the durajunk have had bad problems and continue to. i know more people that drive the 6.0L ford and love it and have had no probs with it at all and will buy nothing but. i also know people that say "I WISH I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE FORD WITH THE PSD". the company my step dad works for bought a new durajunk and had it 2 weeks and have already puked a turbo, trans and replaced all the injectors in it and they are still having probs. he also said that the durajunk has no where near the power of the PSD they have. empty or loaded he said the PSD will run off and leave it. i also talked to another guy that said he is working on atleast 3 or 4 allison transes a weeks my step dad also has a friend the has a new dodge with a cummins in it and has took it back for a fuel tank leak. facorty tightened the tanks to tight and caused a rub which created a hole in the tank.

 

I've always noticed, that most of the people who bash Ford are Chevy people. What does that tell you?

 

Actually, the guy who created the Mustang was named Hal Sperlich. He and Lee had a falling out, and he left to become a CEO of United Airlines, I believe. When Lee went over to Chrysler, he talked Hal into coming over with him. Hal's next coup was.....the minivan. Hal had another falling-out with Lee and left again.

Pretty amazing, really- the guy was responsible for two of the most influential post-war designs. I just love this stuff.