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05 Expy
Guys, from those of you that have purchased some already...Do the 05's seem to have the bugs worked out of them that the 03's and some 04's were plagued with? I am looking at getting rid of my 03 XLT 5.4 2wd(can't pass up the offer) and getting into an 05 EB 4x4....Just hoping that the bugs are gone for the most part, mainly the dang a/c issues...
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I've got 5500 miles on my '05 EB 4X4. So far the only problems I've had were with the dealer installed remote start system, but I think that's all been taken care of.
Still see some brake dust on the front wheels, but nothing like we saw on our '03 EB.
Dan
Still see some brake dust on the front wheels, but nothing like we saw on our '03 EB.
Dan
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Do yourself a favor.............. take the 05 expedition for a test drive on a freeway. take it up to 70mph and even push it to 80mph if you can. if you have any shimmy/vibration in the steering wheel. if you do experience the shimmy and vibrations then there are there are two issues you should look for. one.....the tires-if they are Continentals you will need to get them changed. two-the "steering rack assembly" . the salesman may tell you that "its no problem" however when you find yourself replacing tires in 3 months and several agrivating trips to ford service you will be very "ticked off". so if you have the vibrations and shimmys at 70-80 mph........do save yourself the grief and take a look at the YUKON!
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Thank you for your replies....After the issues with my fathers 01 Silverado pickup, there is no way on this earth I would even consider a GM product at this point....I can tolerate some brake dust and a/c noise, rather than have the fuel guage not work most of the time, the low coolant light flashing on and off (it is full, faulty sensor that requires replacement of the entire reservoir tank), piston slap, non-existant emergancy brake, and who can forget the tail gate cables that break.....During the hurricanes, I missed a few tournaments because where I put my boat for safe keeping got very soupy and muddy, and being without 4x4 there was no way I could get it out for almost a month after the last storm came through..I now have the chance to move into a new vehicle with 4x4, just hoping it will be the right choice in the long run....
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Well you asked... so here is a letter I had to write to my dealers Service Manager (copies to Ford Motor Credit File, Personal File) after having my 05 EB for a month...
Thank you for trying to assist me on Wednesday November 22, 2004, after I had to return to the service department for the reported problem of the front Air Conditioning (A/C) unit, and it still NOT being corrected. Since then, I have done some independent research and have realized there appears to be issues with respect to the Air Conditioning, Rough Idle and Water entering the firewall (to name a few), and while I have not found any public disclosures for the 2005 model, there have been several reported Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) for the 2003 and 2004 models (TSB#04-05-09 for the reported A/C problems). You alluded to this in your conversation with the technician helping to review my vehicle that evening (although you did not confirm this with me). I now understand the complexity of the system, after doing this research, since it no longer uses a "fixed orifice", but now uses an "electronic thermostatic expansion valve", and I'm sure this combined with the "dual zone" system has contributed to less than ideal performance/diagnosis issues.
The problems continue to escalate and now there are new issues to report. The following is a short draft of some of the problems being exhibited by the truck since my last visit:
· The A/C problem continues. Actually, there was no air blowing from vents at one point on Monday morning (11/29/04 at approx 10AM) after about 20-30 minutes of driving. The A/C was set to AUTO and the temperature console set to 72°. The unit could be heard cycling on and off. I manually turned the temperature down to 65° and back up to 72° - 73° before the fan would come back on. The outside temperature was at 76°. The rear air console was on fan setting # 2 and two notches from cold, and that unit was and continues to blow freezing cold.
· The carpet under the front passenger mat, going up under the dashboard is soaking wet AGAIN, and there have been no memorable rainstorms or periods where the vehicle has been exposed to water. You have scheduled your "water leak" expert to diagnose the problem, so hopefully we can get that resolved. My instinct (and subsequent research) tells me it's still related to the A/C, but we'll see what your testing turns up. However, regardless of the outcome, the carpet already smells musty and I fear my child’s allergies will become exacerbated. I am therefore requesting that the carpet be CHANGED after all leaks are located and the problem, be it A/C or not, is fixed/corrected.
· Engine Misfire / Rough Running / Terrible mileage - Problem is worse in early morning cold start, but is also noticeable at any start where the engine has had a chance to cool off. Have had passengers in my vehicle comment on how rough truck idles when at stand-still or traffic lights. I have also noticed a marked difference in fuel consumption as time has gone on as it has gotten worse since my last service visit to the dealership. Please note that this was mentioned on my last service consultation, however, my service writer dismissed it as normal as "his vehicle exhibits the same problem and I'll just ignore it after a while". It is my understanding that a Technical Service Bulletin (# 04-16-1 which supersedes TSB# 03-14-04) addresses this issue, so I would like to have my vehicle checked for this problem.
Looking forward to the speedy and final repair of my vehicle for these reported issues, and that there will be no repeat occurrences as it relates to the problems detailed above.
Regards,
That letter was dated 12/01/04, the same day I took it back for service. Well that letter lit a fire under somebody because they kept the truck for a week (equivalent rental covered) and to date it seems like all things are fixed except the Rough Idle problem. The Service Manager himself has called several times to verify I am happy, but since I'm having aformentioned trouble he will have them look at it again (they remapped computer last time it was there). I have done research on here an have found out that the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve is giving some issues, so since they still have a panel to replace (I'm very picky) so I guess I'll put in my $0.02 so they can address that issue once again when they call to let me know the stuff came in.
MAke sure you do what "jyd" mentioned above.... some of my tires were "out of round"... admittedly so by the service writer..... THEY REPLACED ALL 4 TIRES... and all is fine now.
Thank you for trying to assist me on Wednesday November 22, 2004, after I had to return to the service department for the reported problem of the front Air Conditioning (A/C) unit, and it still NOT being corrected. Since then, I have done some independent research and have realized there appears to be issues with respect to the Air Conditioning, Rough Idle and Water entering the firewall (to name a few), and while I have not found any public disclosures for the 2005 model, there have been several reported Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) for the 2003 and 2004 models (TSB#04-05-09 for the reported A/C problems). You alluded to this in your conversation with the technician helping to review my vehicle that evening (although you did not confirm this with me). I now understand the complexity of the system, after doing this research, since it no longer uses a "fixed orifice", but now uses an "electronic thermostatic expansion valve", and I'm sure this combined with the "dual zone" system has contributed to less than ideal performance/diagnosis issues.
The problems continue to escalate and now there are new issues to report. The following is a short draft of some of the problems being exhibited by the truck since my last visit:
· The A/C problem continues. Actually, there was no air blowing from vents at one point on Monday morning (11/29/04 at approx 10AM) after about 20-30 minutes of driving. The A/C was set to AUTO and the temperature console set to 72°. The unit could be heard cycling on and off. I manually turned the temperature down to 65° and back up to 72° - 73° before the fan would come back on. The outside temperature was at 76°. The rear air console was on fan setting # 2 and two notches from cold, and that unit was and continues to blow freezing cold.
· The carpet under the front passenger mat, going up under the dashboard is soaking wet AGAIN, and there have been no memorable rainstorms or periods where the vehicle has been exposed to water. You have scheduled your "water leak" expert to diagnose the problem, so hopefully we can get that resolved. My instinct (and subsequent research) tells me it's still related to the A/C, but we'll see what your testing turns up. However, regardless of the outcome, the carpet already smells musty and I fear my child’s allergies will become exacerbated. I am therefore requesting that the carpet be CHANGED after all leaks are located and the problem, be it A/C or not, is fixed/corrected.
· Engine Misfire / Rough Running / Terrible mileage - Problem is worse in early morning cold start, but is also noticeable at any start where the engine has had a chance to cool off. Have had passengers in my vehicle comment on how rough truck idles when at stand-still or traffic lights. I have also noticed a marked difference in fuel consumption as time has gone on as it has gotten worse since my last service visit to the dealership. Please note that this was mentioned on my last service consultation, however, my service writer dismissed it as normal as "his vehicle exhibits the same problem and I'll just ignore it after a while". It is my understanding that a Technical Service Bulletin (# 04-16-1 which supersedes TSB# 03-14-04) addresses this issue, so I would like to have my vehicle checked for this problem.
Looking forward to the speedy and final repair of my vehicle for these reported issues, and that there will be no repeat occurrences as it relates to the problems detailed above.
Regards,
That letter was dated 12/01/04, the same day I took it back for service. Well that letter lit a fire under somebody because they kept the truck for a week (equivalent rental covered) and to date it seems like all things are fixed except the Rough Idle problem. The Service Manager himself has called several times to verify I am happy, but since I'm having aformentioned trouble he will have them look at it again (they remapped computer last time it was there). I have done research on here an have found out that the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve is giving some issues, so since they still have a panel to replace (I'm very picky) so I guess I'll put in my $0.02 so they can address that issue once again when they call to let me know the stuff came in.
MAke sure you do what "jyd" mentioned above.... some of my tires were "out of round"... admittedly so by the service writer..... THEY REPLACED ALL 4 TIRES... and all is fine now.
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Wow, I'm really surprised that you're having all those troubles with an '05, kinda makes me glad to have my '03 EB. My mother just purchased an '04 Navigator and her passenger front seat floorboard will sometimes become damp with moisture. This mainly occured in the summer when it was really humid here in the South. However, my '03 EB has never had that problem with the wet floorboard nor has my a/c ever cut out while driving. I really hate that there are still these problems with the 2005s, I was sure that they would have solved those problems by now. I hope everything gets straightened out.
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Those all sound like production line issues. My '03 works like it should with out any problems. If it's not built right at the factory, it doesn't matter what year it is.
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If you get a 4x4 one. Do yourself a favor and get the FX4 option! It turns a heavyweight pig of an SUV into a Slot car! I've got 30k on my 03 and still love to drive it anywhere. FX4 = Upgraded Struts, Upgraded progressive rate coil springs, Thicker/Stronger Skid Plates allaround, Plus more!
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The FX4 package was replaced by NBX (No Boundaries eXperience) trim in 04. And although the 05's started out with the NBX trim in the lineup, it's no longer available (I believe it was discontinued in December). There is now a 4x4 off-road package available that includes the skid plates and Rancho shocks. Not sure if it also includes the rubber floor mats and cargo area cover that came with the NBX.