Oil Pan
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Oil Pan
OK, seems like we've got some issues with the oil pan I've got for my engine. Most of you know I purchased a 393 stroker from Coast High performance. When ordering, I ordered a bunch of other parts including an oil pan. I told the guy I wanted one for an F-150, and what arrived was a Ford Racing pan with the part number M-6675-A58. It's got a small sump in the front and the rest of the sump in the back. Now I called up Ford's tech line and asked if this would fit the F-150, but he said no...that i'd have to run a dual exhaust w/o the Y-pipe. This is not going to work because I have a bassani Y-pipe and don't want to run dual exhaust like that. I didn't think that was going to be an issue with this pan, I thought more of the front sump hitting the crossmember than anything. So now I am at a loss to figure out which oil pan to get. The guy on the phone said they suppositly don't have one.....how the hell do they not have a good oil pan for a 351 truck?? Does anyone know what pan I should be using? This stuff ticks me off.
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Sounds like what you got is the oil pan that came in Crown Vic and Grand Marquis with 351W (police only in USA, in Canada here it was fairly common) and can be used to swap the 351W into Mustang and Ranger. You should have no problems getting the actual truck/van oilpan. You should be able to walk into ANY parts store and get the correct oilpan. I think the y-pipe tucks under the oilpan right under the rear of it, just in front of the mounting flange of the tranny, correct? And the oil pan you have is square there when you look at the side profile, while the truck/van oilpan has a bevel there.
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A baffled pan will help you doing extreme off-roading, but otherwise it's not all it's cracked up to be. An HV pump is definitely a waste of money, been there, done that. If you can't find one in Milodon's catalogue, then just buy a stock pan and invest in a slam guard.
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All,
I would have to agree with Torqueking, in general. I like to install a windage tray on mine but only for drag racing or possibly circle track. The front sump five quart pan is fine. If you feel you must waste the money, simply buy a large front sump oil pan.
On the other hand, I don't know what year truck you are talking about? the 73-79s are all front sump.
KingFisher
I would have to agree with Torqueking, in general. I like to install a windage tray on mine but only for drag racing or possibly circle track. The front sump five quart pan is fine. If you feel you must waste the money, simply buy a large front sump oil pan.
On the other hand, I don't know what year truck you are talking about? the 73-79s are all front sump.
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GT221,
This is almost a ridiculous post:
Would you please list your options and I'll tell you which one to apply.
You see, by buying the oil pump and pickup screen, you lock down which oil pan you must use? Why wouldn't you use a rear sump oil pan? Are you telling me that no one makes a large rear sump oil pan?
Why isn't it that simple?
KingFisher
This is almost a ridiculous post:
Would you please list your options and I'll tell you which one to apply.
You see, by buying the oil pump and pickup screen, you lock down which oil pan you must use? Why wouldn't you use a rear sump oil pan? Are you telling me that no one makes a large rear sump oil pan?
Why isn't it that simple?
KingFisher
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Cargo Master
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WHy not use a stock pan and add a large oil cooler w/ remote dual filters. This would add at least 2 quarts to your max capacity plus keep it cool that you don't need to worry.
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Originally Posted by dfisher1
GT221,
This is almost a ridiculous post:
Would you please list your options and I'll tell you which one to apply.
You see, by buying the oil pump and pickup screen, you lock down which oil pan you must use? Why wouldn't you use a rear sump oil pan? Are you telling me that no one makes a large rear sump oil pan?
Why isn't it that simple?
KingFisher
This is almost a ridiculous post:
Would you please list your options and I'll tell you which one to apply.
You see, by buying the oil pump and pickup screen, you lock down which oil pan you must use? Why wouldn't you use a rear sump oil pan? Are you telling me that no one makes a large rear sump oil pan?
Why isn't it that simple?
KingFisher
The oil pan you purchase, comes with the appropriate pickup tube. I am trying to use a rear sump oil pan....and yes I am telling you that, atleast so far, I have not found a good oil pan for my application.
I have the guy from CHP trying to track me down the appropriate oil pan. Until then, I am trying to find one myself.
How much would an oil cooler with appropriate parts to connect it run as a ballpark figure? The cashflow is definitely low at this point in my $8000 project lol.
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All,
Generally there is only one need for an oversized pan. Drag racing. When you stand on a motor at 7000 RPMs, it tends to suck the pan dry. The oil is pumped too quickly to the top end and does not have time to drain back the pan (i.e. 426 Hemi was imfamous for this). A problem that may occur from an oversized pan is oil sloshing to one side during off-road excursions. The pan is generally wider and only slightly deeper. This allows the oil to move to the side of the pickup screen when the vehicle is on an aggresive slant. Internal baffling can help eliminate this shortcoming. By adding a large filter system, you have added volume but it is post pump so you have not added to the reservoir capacity of the pumping system. Consider what I've suggested. Ask yourself what your trying to accomplish.
KingFisher
Generally there is only one need for an oversized pan. Drag racing. When you stand on a motor at 7000 RPMs, it tends to suck the pan dry. The oil is pumped too quickly to the top end and does not have time to drain back the pan (i.e. 426 Hemi was imfamous for this). A problem that may occur from an oversized pan is oil sloshing to one side during off-road excursions. The pan is generally wider and only slightly deeper. This allows the oil to move to the side of the pickup screen when the vehicle is on an aggresive slant. Internal baffling can help eliminate this shortcoming. By adding a large filter system, you have added volume but it is post pump so you have not added to the reservoir capacity of the pumping system. Consider what I've suggested. Ask yourself what your trying to accomplish.
KingFisher
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Fisher's advice is very wise. I know when I built my first motor, I was all about the big oil pans with baffles, trap doors, and all sorts of gadgets. The pump pickup is usually specified by the manufacturer (if other than stock), so you may have to buy two of them. When they recommend that you buy their pickup, that means that nothing else will fit, so just buy it and save yourself from breaking something in anger. The stock Windsor oiling system is rather excellent, so unless you're pulling 4 g's at takeoff, or you're climbing up massive inclines, you really don't need anything but a stock pan. Let's just say, for instance, that you really do get a +2 capacity oil pan. Think about having to buy 7 quarts of oil every time you change oil. Then you have to bring your drain pan to AutoZone for disposal more often than your neighbors. That sucks. It wouldn't really be that bad if it was necessary, but it's not.
PS: there's nothing ridiculous about the post, except for the fact that there's two of them.
PS: there's nothing ridiculous about the post, except for the fact that there's two of them.
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So what's cheaper?
New exhaust crossover (y-pipe) or a new pan and pick-up. And have you mocked up the pan and exhaust yet to see if it will actually be a problem?
Also I think most truck pans are 6quart from the factory for 302's and 351's in late 80's up? So a factory one would be plenty of capacity unless your planning to rev for an extended period. And I think it's more of the big-blocks that have the sucking the pan dry problem.
Also will a factory pan fit your stroker crank?
New exhaust crossover (y-pipe) or a new pan and pick-up. And have you mocked up the pan and exhaust yet to see if it will actually be a problem?
Also I think most truck pans are 6quart from the factory for 302's and 351's in late 80's up? So a factory one would be plenty of capacity unless your planning to rev for an extended period. And I think it's more of the big-blocks that have the sucking the pan dry problem.
Also will a factory pan fit your stroker crank?
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Originally Posted by Spaznaut
Also will a factory pan fit your stroker crank?
I talked to Mike at CHP, who I bought my motor from, and he spent 2-3 days working on whether or not it would fit. We've come to the determination that it will probably fit, but whether or not it actually does is just going to only be found by installing it.
I am running FMS shorties with a bassani Y-pipe so i'm not exactly sure how it will map out, and I have no idea until I install stuff cuz, right now the truck has no drivetrain in it except for the axles.
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