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Those cars don't hold those records because the 428 was such an awesome engine, they hold the records because the 428 Mustangs had the best power to weight ratio of any car available. By the time the 429 came around the cars had gained several hundred pounds. I find it pretty hard to believe that a 3.98" stroke 428 will rev more quickly than a 3.59" stroke 429, and it certainly doesn't have the power potential of a 429 or 460. Power is ultimately limited by valve size, which is ultimately limited by bore size. You can't stuff nearly the valve in a 4.13" bore as you can a 4.36" bore, especially when the valves in the 4.36" bore are canted. You can't get away from the fact that the 428 was derived from an engine family designed for grampa's Edsel and trucks, while the 429 was designed for performance.
Are you aware of the 640HP 427FE SOHC? It is very rare and was banned by nascar. The FE's were some of the fastest motors around in the 60's. Not to mention the not so rare 360HP 1960 352FE.
I wanted to sum up this topic. Even though i love a variety of engines, this topic really shouldn't even be questionable. There is no way any person can say, the 289 or 302 Ford is bad in any way, it's a beautiful engine in every way. It's like i said in an earlier post, "How can any one person say a 302 is a bad engine? They would have to just be unknowledgeable altogether. Same thing applies to Chevrolets 283 V8, a person cannot knock that engine. Please group don't get angry at me, fo telling everyone the engines i think are the best ones of all.
Oldsmobiles 307 V8, those things have cylinder walls so thick, you could bore one real easy up to 130 thousandeths over, now that thing has some wasted iron in it.
Cadillacs 77-79 425 V8 and their ealier up to 1976 -472 and 500 V8, good for 3 generations
Chevys good 283 V8, could last 40 years if taken care of, 302 Ford is just as good and that beautiful Ford 289
Fords 3.0 V6, ever read the specs on that rascal or taken one apart? That is one heck of an engine!! If they took that same 3.0 cast iron engine V6 and made a V10 out of that thing, it would provide a fabulous big truck engine and full sized luxury car engine.
But back to the topic at hand. not no one can knock a 302 Ford, no way! Now it may not be proper for certain vehicles, such as a 1975 Lincoln i owned with a 460, a 302 just wouldn't be right for that tank, but a 351 Windsor i feel would have been a better choice where that car was concerned. But my final word, is a 302 ford is just a fool proof great engine, it's just a fact. I also have a question some of you may be able to answer, in a topic i am going to make right now.
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Are you aware of the 640HP 427FE SOHC? It is very rare and was banned by nascar. The FE's were some of the fastest motors around in the 60's. Not to mention the not so rare 360HP 1960 352FE.
Are you aware that the 427 SOHC was never installed in any production car? Are you aware that the comment was regarding a stock class drag racing car? Are you aware that the 427 and the 428 have very little in common other than external appearance? The 427 is a world closer to the 429 in internal dimesion than the 428 is. If you want to compare the most exotic of the two engine families you should be comparing the 427 SOHC with the all aluminum Can Am Boss 494. We AREN'T comparing the most exotic, we're comparing the 428 and 429. The 428 is a giant floater compared to a 429.
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Actually, the 302 was based on the 289 design, which started out a lot earlier than 1968. And I think that the 302, espically in the mid 80's to the mid 90's was at its best, why, becuase Ford had all the experiance in the world with it, a 302 is a comprable engine to a chevy 350, What more can you ask for minus 48 ci's? The 305 has nothin on a stock 302, unless its a high output. I think I remember hearing that ford had the option for EFI in 85 and 86, and 87 went completley EFI, just a thought from a blue bleeder.
302 a match for a 350? What have you been smoking? I wouldnt ever own a 302 in a truck and throroughly outworking one in my 1/2 I6 300. It might be OK for a car but it is NOT a truck motor, the only GOOD 302 in my opinion in the GM 302
The H.O. 302's were more than a good match for the 350's of that era 85-93, the 302 is a good truck engine it will pull alot more than most think, and get used to hearing these statements your at a Ford website.
I wonder why Ford didn't feel the need to up torque on the truck 302's? I mean, a different cam and a little bigger exhaust port would have done wonders, stock. Without sacrificing emmisions/fuel milage.
They did, its called a HO. But the 302 was designed for light duty trucks, and cars. Notice I said light duty. Still, for that little engine, it packs a punch.
The 300 six is a very durable engine, but has never been rated for higher torque than the 302. The 302 will pull harder through the entire rpm than the low revving 300, allowing for lower axel gearing than the I-6.
5.0 liters is too small for any thing but the Ranger.
Good motor, not enough cubes.
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Edited out Ford's 5.0 in the Mustang was kickiing Chevy's 5.0 (305) so bad that they HAD to go to the 350 (5.7L) just to compete!
In cars of that era, the 302 Ford makes a laughing stock of the 305 Chevy, stock for stock!
And while the Chevy 302 was a screamer of an engine in a Camaro, put it in a CK Versus an F150 with a 302 and see who wins a race with a 4000 lb trailer behind it.
It aint gonna be the Chebby.
While I like the SBC, Edited out worked on a stock car with one for a couple years, the plain truth is that it needs that 350 ci to keep up with a 302 HO. Edited out
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As I said way, way back near the beginning of this topic, I raced a 302 against whole field of 350-powered Chevys, the lone Ford in our Late Model class. I got a lot of razzing while I was building it, "A little 302 can't keep up with them 350 Chevys!" but I showed 'em a little different when I got it on the track. I was consistantly one of the top five fastest cars out there, and all the other fast cars had a way bigger budget than I did. There's nothing wrong with the 302, in my opinion, for darn near any purpose. I've never had one in a truck, but I will soon as I'm putting one in my Ranger. Of course, that's not exactly the same as having one in an F-250, but I still feel that it's one of the best engines ever built. -TD
I've had 302's from 68 carb to 88 EFI and all have been good engines. Some gray areas in the late 70's (LOL) but overall an excellent performer. It's been a good backbone engine for over 20 years and think the history has proved itself. My last was a new 88 GT and had a HARD 80K before selling in 92. I was not gentle on this car at all and thrashed it on a fairly regular basis. The car is still going strong today with well over 200k on the clock and original engine all still there. I still get to drive the car now and then as the new owner is my oldest son. And yes we still hammer it on occasion....JMO, G.
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Where have I been for the last 20 years? In a truck, where the H.O. 5.0 doesnt sit, i mean this is a truck site and thats where my point is, the 302 has no place in a truck, neither does a 305, but the I6 300 is perfect for 1/2 ton trucks, if i ever find a carbon copy of mine i will buy it on the spot, best truck i have ever owned and nobody will ever get me to believe a stock 302 in a F 150 will be better than an I6 in the same truck, and the GM 302 in a truck or car would annihilate the Ford 302, have you ever driven a vehicle with the GM 302? They are unreal for a block that small.