Notices
Ford vs The Competition Technical discussion and comparison ONLY. Trolls will not be tolerated.

Worst engine 302-why?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 1, 2005 | 03:10 PM
  #121  
FORD352V8's Avatar
FORD352V8
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 938
Likes: 1
From: North Carolina
Originally Posted by Silver Streak
Those cars don't hold those records because the 428 was such an awesome engine, they hold the records because the 428 Mustangs had the best power to weight ratio of any car available. By the time the 429 came around the cars had gained several hundred pounds. I find it pretty hard to believe that a 3.98" stroke 428 will rev more quickly than a 3.59" stroke 429, and it certainly doesn't have the power potential of a 429 or 460. Power is ultimately limited by valve size, which is ultimately limited by bore size. You can't stuff nearly the valve in a 4.13" bore as you can a 4.36" bore, especially when the valves in the 4.36" bore are canted. You can't get away from the fact that the 428 was derived from an engine family designed for grampa's Edsel and trucks, while the 429 was designed for performance.

Are you aware of the 640HP 427FE SOHC? It is very rare and was banned by nascar. The FE's were some of the fastest motors around in the 60's. Not to mention the not so rare 360HP 1960 352FE.
 
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2005 | 03:11 PM
  #122  
Janet40's Avatar
Janet40
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 713
Likes: 1
From: Houston U.S.
I wanted to sum up this topic. Even though i love a variety of engines, this topic really shouldn't even be questionable. There is no way any person can say, the 289 or 302 Ford is bad in any way, it's a beautiful engine in every way. It's like i said in an earlier post, "How can any one person say a 302 is a bad engine? They would have to just be unknowledgeable altogether. Same thing applies to Chevrolets 283 V8, a person cannot knock that engine. Please group don't get angry at me, fo telling everyone the engines i think are the best ones of all.

Oldsmobiles 307 V8, those things have cylinder walls so thick, you could bore one real easy up to 130 thousandeths over, now that thing has some wasted iron in it.

Cadillacs 77-79 425 V8 and their ealier up to 1976 -472 and 500 V8, good for 3 generations

Chevys good 283 V8, could last 40 years if taken care of, 302 Ford is just as good and that beautiful Ford 289

Fords 3.0 V6, ever read the specs on that rascal or taken one apart? That is one heck of an engine!! If they took that same 3.0 cast iron engine V6 and made a V10 out of that thing, it would provide a fabulous big truck engine and full sized luxury car engine.


But back to the topic at hand. not no one can knock a 302 Ford, no way! Now it may not be proper for certain vehicles, such as a 1975 Lincoln i owned with a 460, a 302 just wouldn't be right for that tank, but a 351 Windsor i feel would have been a better choice where that car was concerned. But my final word, is a 302 ford is just a fool proof great engine, it's just a fact. I also have a question some of you may be able to answer, in a topic i am going to make right now.

Janet
 

Last edited by IB Tim; Mar 2, 2005 at 04:03 PM. Reason: sp
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2005 | 04:41 PM
  #123  
Silver Streak's Avatar
Silver Streak
Postmaster
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,241
Likes: 3
From: Broken Arrow, OK
Originally Posted by FORD352V8
Are you aware of the 640HP 427FE SOHC? It is very rare and was banned by nascar. The FE's were some of the fastest motors around in the 60's. Not to mention the not so rare 360HP 1960 352FE.
Are you aware that the 427 SOHC was never installed in any production car? Are you aware that the comment was regarding a stock class drag racing car? Are you aware that the 427 and the 428 have very little in common other than external appearance? The 427 is a world closer to the 429 in internal dimesion than the 428 is. If you want to compare the most exotic of the two engine families you should be comparing the 427 SOHC with the all aluminum Can Am Boss 494. We AREN'T comparing the most exotic, we're comparing the 428 and 429. The 428 is a giant floater compared to a 429.
 

Last edited by IB Tim; Mar 3, 2005 at 05:04 PM. Reason: Lg
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2005 | 09:46 AM
  #124  
Snake79's Avatar
Snake79
Freshman User
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Actually, the 302 was based on the 289 design, which started out a lot earlier than 1968. And I think that the 302, espically in the mid 80's to the mid 90's was at its best, why, becuase Ford had all the experiance in the world with it, a 302 is a comprable engine to a chevy 350, What more can you ask for minus 48 ci's? The 305 has nothin on a stock 302, unless its a high output. I think I remember hearing that ford had the option for EFI in 85 and 86, and 87 went completley EFI, just a thought from a blue bleeder.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2005 | 10:24 AM
  #125  
BigDaddy6969's Avatar
BigDaddy6969
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
302 a match for a 350? What have you been smoking? I wouldnt ever own a 302 in a truck and throroughly outworking one in my 1/2 I6 300. It might be OK for a car but it is NOT a truck motor, the only GOOD 302 in my opinion in the GM 302
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2005 | 12:02 PM
  #126  
fordbeast_80's Avatar
fordbeast_80
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 586
Likes: 0
From: South Dakota
The H.O. 302's were more than a good match for the 350's of that era 85-93, the 302 is a good truck engine it will pull alot more than most think, and get used to hearing these statements your at a Ford website.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2005 | 08:51 PM
  #127  
fonefiddy's Avatar
fonefiddy
Cargo Master
20 Year Member
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,585
Likes: 1
From: Duluth, Mn.
I wonder why Ford didn't feel the need to up torque on the truck 302's? I mean, a different cam and a little bigger exhaust port would have done wonders, stock. Without sacrificing emmisions/fuel milage.
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 08:56 AM
  #128  
Snake79's Avatar
Snake79
Freshman User
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
They did, its called a HO. But the 302 was designed for light duty trucks, and cars. Notice I said light duty. Still, for that little engine, it packs a punch.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 09:22 PM
  #129  
68 351 bronc's Avatar
68 351 bronc
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 920
Likes: 2
From: Colville
The 300 six is a very durable engine, but has never been rated for higher torque than the 302. The 302 will pull harder through the entire rpm than the low revving 300, allowing for lower axel gearing than the I-6.
5.0 liters is too small for any thing but the Ranger.
Good motor, not enough cubes.
 

Last edited by IB Tim; Mar 4, 2005 at 06:41 AM. Reason: sp
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2005 | 09:22 AM
  #130  
MCA's Avatar
MCA
Junior User
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
302, great engine it can be powered up to 350hp easy, thats enough for any truck, even better for a light truck
 
Reply
Old Mar 5, 2005 | 01:59 AM
  #131  
KC8QMU's Avatar
KC8QMU
Junior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Big daddy6969,

Edited out Ford's 5.0 in the Mustang was kickiing Chevy's 5.0 (305) so bad that they HAD to go to the 350 (5.7L) just to compete!

In cars of that era, the 302 Ford makes a laughing stock of the 305 Chevy, stock for stock!

And while the Chevy 302 was a screamer of an engine in a Camaro, put it in a CK Versus an F150 with a 302 and see who wins a race with a 4000 lb trailer behind it.

It aint gonna be the Chebby.

While I like the SBC, Edited out worked on a stock car with one for a couple years, the plain truth is that it needs that 350 ci to keep up with a 302 HO.
Edited out
 
Reply
Old Mar 5, 2005 | 09:38 AM
  #132  
TigerDan's Avatar
TigerDan
Hotshot
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 12,170
Likes: 5
From: The hills of No. Calif.
Club FTE Gold Member
Quote removed Admin
As I said way, way back near the beginning of this topic, I raced a 302 against whole field of 350-powered Chevys, the lone Ford in our Late Model class. I got a lot of razzing while I was building it, "A little 302 can't keep up with them 350 Chevys!" but I showed 'em a little different when I got it on the track. I was consistantly one of the top five fastest cars out there, and all the other fast cars had a way bigger budget than I did. There's nothing wrong with the 302, in my opinion, for darn near any purpose. I've never had one in a truck, but I will soon as I'm putting one in my Ranger. Of course, that's not exactly the same as having one in an F-250, but I still feel that it's one of the best engines ever built. -TD
 
Reply
Old Mar 5, 2005 | 10:11 AM
  #133  
FFR428's Avatar
FFR428
Needsmorecoffee.
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,624
Likes: 2
From: CT
Club FTE Silver Member

I've had 302's from 68 carb to 88 EFI and all have been good engines. Some gray areas in the late 70's (LOL) but overall an excellent performer. It's been a good backbone engine for over 20 years and think the history has proved itself. My last was a new 88 GT and had a HARD 80K before selling in 92. I was not gentle on this car at all and thrashed it on a fairly regular basis. The car is still going strong today with well over 200k on the clock and original engine all still there. I still get to drive the car now and then as the new owner is my oldest son. And yes we still hammer it on occasion....JMO, G.
 
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2005 | 12:52 PM
  #134  
ATVer1992's Avatar
ATVer1992
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
93 Bronco with a strong running original stock 302 pushing over 270,000 miles.
 
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2005 | 07:46 PM
  #135  
BigDaddy6969's Avatar
BigDaddy6969
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Quote removed by Admin
Where have I been for the last 20 years? In a truck, where the H.O. 5.0 doesnt sit, i mean this is a truck site and thats where my point is, the 302 has no place in a truck, neither does a 305, but the I6 300 is perfect for 1/2 ton trucks, if i ever find a carbon copy of mine i will buy it on the spot, best truck i have ever owned and nobody will ever get me to believe a stock 302 in a F 150 will be better than an I6 in the same truck, and the GM 302 in a truck or car would annihilate the Ford 302, have you ever driven a vehicle with the GM 302? They are unreal for a block that small.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:32 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE